[Newsbot]

Title: Dems declare war on words 'husband,' 'wife'
Category: lifestyle
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2015-07-11 16:42:35

[Freakinoldguy]

It just never ends does it?

Everyone is either outraged or offended about something, so much so that we're all immediately expected to change our personal thoughts, morals and beliefs to suit their agendas and politically correct crusades.

When will these social justice warriors learn that taking a flag down won't fix racism, renaming the people in a heterosexual union won't fix homophobia and demanding the world cave to their views and demands won't fix their personal self loathing and need for self flagellation.

They can all go fuck themselves and the jackass they rode in on.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

'Tards.

[Caelon]

raydan raydan:

What's the alternative... bitch and dickhead?

Read the article. In legislation they want to you use gender neutral 'spouse' to be more encompassing. One example they gave was it is illegal to threaten the President's wife but no mention of threatening a President's husband. Spouse cures that one. Spouse cures several other things with same sex marriages.

As it is only in legislation with the intent for a broader definition I do not think I have an issue. There is no attempt to remove husband and wife from the daily lexicon as the title suggests.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

It just never ends does it?

Everyone is either outraged or offended about something, so much so that we're all immediately expected to change our personal thoughts, morals and beliefs to suit their agendas and politically correct crusades.

When will these social justice warriors learn that taking a flag down won't fix racism, renaming the people in a heterosexual union won't fix homophobia and demanding the world cave to their views and demands won't fix their personal self loathing and need for self flagellation.

They can all go fuck themselves and the jackass they rode in on.

Read Caelon's post. Then realize that the reactionaries are just as offended or outraged. So much so that nobody should be expected to change their personal thoughts, morals and beliefs to suit their agenda. Funny how the reactionaries think it has a lock on being reasonable while the progressives are always called ideological.

"I mean, discrimination against gays, how can we be expected to change our beliefs on that?" Last generation is was "discrimination against ni****s, how can we be expected t change our beliefs on that?" Did you know the confederate battler flag was first hoisted on the S Carolina govt buildings in 1962 in reaction to the civil rights movement. Terrible thing that, people changing their beliefs there.

[andyt]

Caelon Caelon:

As it is only in legislation with the intent for a broader definition I do not think I have an issue. There is no attempt to remove husband and wife from the daily lexicon as the title suggests.

But where is the fun in getting outraged about that? You're not one of those leftie progs are ya, pointing that out?

[andyt]

raydan raydan:

So, what's next?

We remove "male and female", "boy and girl", "son and daughter"... while we're at it, why not "mother and father"... we can replace everything with "it". Now that's gender neutral.

See, much more fun to get outraged, even if it's bullshit.

[Caelon]

raydan raydan:

Don't know what they'll do with French since everything has a gender... even the word "spouse" in French has a male and female form, "époux" and "épouse".

Francophones are quite creative linguistically. I am sure they will come up with a novel solution.

[BeaverFever]

Andy and Caelon have it.

$1:

When will these social justice warriors learn that taking a flag down won't fix racism, renaming the people in a heterosexual union won't fix homophobia

If you think flags and official language are important symbols of our society and have meaning, then you should support the idea that they willing meet updating from time to time as society inevitably evolves.

If your statement is meant to say flags etc are just meaningless empty symbols (I suspect you don't think that) then why do you care if they're changed at all?

[Vamp018]

Bart, come and collect your Cali Trash and burn it!! Getting sick of your Trash Polluting NV.

[Zipperfish]

raydan raydan:

Don't know what they'll do with French since everything has a gender... even the word "spouse" in French has a male and female form, "époux" and "épouse".

I often wondered about this. Removing "sexist" language in English is relatively straightforward ("chair" instead of "chairman" for example). But in many of the Romantic languages every noun is masculine or feminine, so the cultural patriarchy is ingrained right in the language much more.

[Jabberwalker]

I hear "partner" all of the time, now and I find it to be a little irritating. I think that the intention of the PC Nazis is a non-gender specific term that can apply to both gay and hetero marriages. It has other meanings outside the one that they intend, though and I find that the lifetime (at times difficult) commitments of marriage go far beyond "partnership" ... a term that goes hand-in-hand with "limited liability".

[Public_Domain]

[BeaverFever]

I don't hear "partner" used often in plain speak, i.e you wouldn't ask a friend how their partner is.

But if you're talking to a mixed group of people "partner" is easier than saying "your husband or your wife ir your girlfriend or your boyfriend". And this whole "war on words" thing is just nothing more latter.

Of note, It will also probably benefit heterosexual couples, for example where old laws assume a stay-at-home spouse is a "wife", etc. and otherwise refer to workers, citizens etc as "him".

[andyt]

raydan raydan:

We use "conjoint" in French, which also translates to "spouse", but that word also has a masculine and feminine form... "conjoint" and "conjointe".

"Conjoint de fait" would be "common law spouse".


Can't say that I've heard a lot of this "PC non-gender bullshit" around here. Maybe the language doesn't lend itself to it.

So what do gay couples call each other. Lesbians both say ma femme, gays son mon mari?

But this "war on words" is about what terms to use in legislation, they're not legislating what terms people can use. Really it's a non issue, since legislation is wordy anyway. Just use husband or wife, and him or her, he or she, etc. Guess he or she will maybe upset the trans community. We need to become like Eskimos with snow (and before the pedants get rocking, I know they don't really have 100 words for snow). So a gay man trapped in a woman's body pre-op would have a different name than a straight woman trapped in a man's body post-op. And of course we shouldn't forget the trans curious. Eg. a straight man in a man's body who just sometimes wonders what it would be like to be a woman.