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Title: Half of students absent from Thorncliffe Park
Category: lifestyle
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2015-09-08 16:06:56
Canadian

[andyt]

Common ground between the Muslims and Fiddle. Who'd a thought it. Maybe the fundies of both sides will wind up making common cause against the nasty progs. As has been pointed out, Christian and Muslim nutbars share a lot in common.

[PluggyRug]

andyt andyt:

Christian and Muslim nutbars share a lot in common.

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

Common ground between the Muslims and Fiddle.

I know, you know. Should I be pro or should I be con? It should be puzzling me more, yet I don't seem to care.

I find myself smiling.

Why is that?

Oh wait...

Now I get it...

Still want those 25,000 Islamic "refugees", Kathy?

Or do you need to keep your new "Ben and Kathy perversion plan?"

Decisions, decisions. Either way you're wrong. So whatcha left with? Consequences.




Right Kathy.

[N_Fiddledog]

$1:

Wynne wrong about sex-ed consultation



It would be nice if parents upset about Ontario’s new sex-ed curriculum, including those keeping their children out of school, could rely on at least one thing Premier Kathleen Wynne’s government is telling them. But they can’t.

Wynne said her government consulted widely with parents about the contents of the curriculum. It did not.

We now know, thanks to a freedom of information request made available to the Toronto Sun, that more than half of the 4,000 parents — one from every elementary school — the government says it consulted with via an online survey, never responded to it.

And it wouldn’t have mattered if they had since, as my Sun colleague Anthony Furey reported Sunday, the questions were massaged to encourage positive responses, without getting into the nitty-gritty of what would be taught.

This includes children learning about the correct names for sexual body parts in Grade 1, lessons on gender identity and sexual orientation in Grade 3, discussions about masturbation in Grade 6 and about sexual activity in Grade 8.

Education Minister Liz Sandals has said repeatedly parents can withdraw their children from any course content they find objectionable, but individual school boards have said children will not be excused from certain aspects of the sex-ed curriculum.

Sandals’ promise is an any event a hollow one, since the sex-ed curriculum isn’t a specific course taught on specific days.

It’s part of a larger curriculum on health and physical education in which it will be very difficult for parents to determine when content they might find objectionable is being taught to their children.

The timing will vary from school board to school board and indeed from school to school, further undermining the ability of parents to determine what is being taught and when.

Both Wynne and Sandals claim widespread support exists for their new sex-ed curriculum, but that flies in the face of reality.

A Forum poll in May found the public deeply divided on the sex-ed curriculum, with 42% supporting it, 40% opposed and 17% undecided.

In fact, the Liberals have bungled the implementation of their sex-ed curriculum ever since Wynne’s predecessor, Dalton McGuinty introduced it in 2010...

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/09/08/wy ... nsultation

[N_Fiddledog]

Good luck selling your Progressive perversion plan to little Fatima and little Abdullah, Kathy.

Do you know what this is?



"This is the Mosqueteria at Valley Park Middle School in Thorncliffe Park Toronto. A secular tax payer funded TDSB School that enforces sharia law. At prayers girls are segregated, with the extra unclean menstruating young women forced to sit at the very back."

http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/2015/09/08/ ... iffe-park/

[herbie]

Not that it has fuck all to do with the public schools but red herrings taste so good to the ignoroids.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

$1:

Education Minister Liz Sandals urged parents who are opposed to the curriculum to first talk to teachers and principals because “a lot of misinformation” is being circulated.

Some of it from the Wynned Bag herself. Like suggesting that parents overwhelmingly supported this new curriculum when all the govt did was "consult" one parent rep from each school, of which about half took part. So 2000 parents(assuming they all approved) in a province with 12 million people apparently equals overwhelming support.

You really have no room to whine about the amount of misinformation out there when you've been guilty of disseminating DISinformation yourself. IF this curriculum was as great as they're trying to make it out to be, there should have been no reason to lie about how much parental support it had.

[BeaverFever]

See my post in the other sex ed thread. This new curriculum is no different than what most other provinces already introduced years ago.

All of this controversy is just right-wing lies and fear mongering from the PC party and the conservative immigrant lobby.

Ontarios new PC leader rode this issue all the way to the party leadership despite being an unknown with few friends inside the party. He visited every mosque and temple he could, whipping up the immigrants and then handing them PC party memberships so they could vote for him in the party leadership race. That's where all this noise is coming from.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

See my post in the other sex ed thread. This new curriculum is no different than what most other provinces already introduced years ago.

All of this controversy is just right-wing lies and fear mongering from the PC party and the conservative immigrant lobby.

Ontarios new PC leader rode this issue all the way to the party leadership despite being an unknown with few friends inside the party. He visited every mosque and temple he could, whipping up the immigrants and then handing them PC party memberships so they could vote for him in the party leadership race. That's where all this noise is coming from.

You know how they've been saying that if Harper/the CPC had just let the Duffy matter resolve itself instead of trying to bullshit everyone it probably would have blown over and been no big deal?

If this curriculum is as great as you suggest, then why lie about the parental approval rating? I'd hardly call 4000 parents "overwhelming support", let alone half that number.
This is what is happening in politics on both sides of the spectrum. The need/desire to lie has become so ingrained in politicians that they lie when there's absolutely no reason to.

[BeaverFever]

$1:

ou know how they've been saying that if Harper/the CPC had just let the Duffy matter resolve itself instead of trying to bullshit everyone it probably would have blown over and been no big deal?

If this curriculum is as great as you suggest, then why lie about the parental approval rating? I'd hardly call 4000 parents "overwhelming support", let alone half that number.
This is what is happening in politics on both sides of the spectrum. The need/desire to lie has become so ingrained in politicians that they lie when there's absolutely no reason to.

Let me break my reply down in pieces

1) Selling or even overselling an idea by stating an exaggerated OPINION (e.g. describing something as "amazing" or "overwhelming" when others may think it's only so-so or mediocre) is not the same thing as telling an outright lie. At best, you can claim that Wynne oversold the concept, whereas Harper's coverup is the latter.

2) About that consultation process: these weren't randomly selected parents who maybe had the invitation go to their junk mail box, these were parent advocates who were directly contacted and invited to contribute. Heck, they even made the announcements public, you can still find the announcements in the press and posted on school board websites if you google it.

3) If this curriculum is so outrageous, how come so many parent activist groups failed to respond to direct invitations to participate? It's not the governments fault that half of the groups invited opted not to provide an opinion - presumably that means they didn't have any objection right?

Or more likely these self-appointed parent advocates who didn't respond are in reality just incompetent, lazy and disorganized folks who maybe just saw the invite and said "meh, whatever" and threw it in the trash. Or they only check their parents group email a couple of times a year and missed their opportunity. Or their group meets and discusses things but in between meetings nobody every follows up on the discussion to actually do anything. Now they're outraged.

I deal with people like this at work all the time: You send someone multiple emails warning them that if we don't hear back by a certain date, X is going to happen. We send letters to the house. We leave messages on their home and business lines. No response. Then eventually X happens and the person calls in all upset and outraged. Well, to those people I always politely say fuck you pal, I can cut up your food into tiny pieces for you but you're the one that has to chew and swallow it. If you can't even be bothered to make that minimal effort then there's nothing more I can do for you and I have to assume you don't care about the outcome.

Some of these parent advocates are just in it for the networking opportunity, or to be the centre of attention at meetings and demonstrations or to dress up their resume. They don't really want to have to read things on their spare time or fill out 20-minute online surveys when they could be doing better things, like watching reruns of NCIS or Storage Wars. Well parent advocates, fuck you, you had your chance and you were either too stupid or too lazy to do the one tiny thing asked of you. Now you're also too late.

More than 70 organizations with expertise on this subject were consulted in a years-long process to develop the curriculum. The parents only had one job, which was to provide their non-expert, minimally relevant, emotional response as to how this curriculum could conflict with their magical religious superstitions and they couldn't even manage to do that. So I'm not sure how valuable their input really is considering up until a few months ago they couldn't even muster the interest or the competence to respond to a direct and public invitation.

As I said before they're only now crying foul because the Conservatives made this a leadership race issue and spread hysteria with exaggerated and outright false information. How else is it that they care so much now, but cared so little back then?

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Common ground between the Muslims and Fiddle. Who'd a thought it. Maybe the fundies of both sides will wind up making common cause against the nasty progs. As has been pointed out, Christian and Muslim nutbars share a lot in common.

Fail, Andy.

It's not the Christians keeping their kids at home. It's the Muslims. Too bad the racists in Toronto aren't more sensitive to the feelings of all the Muslims they invited into Toronto.

$1:

The school has a large immigrant population and many parents have protested the new curriculum and threatened to keep their kids out of class for September.

[PJB]

I am getting sick of this political correctness and multi-cultural BS. Why do we need to bend over backwards and take it. These people came to Canada based on what they knew about the Canadian lifestyle yet once here they demand that we change everything to suit the very ideologies that they seemed to want to leave. I wonder what percentage of students enrolled in schools now are taking English as a second language. Now I am not saying that we should close our borders but when is it time to say enough is enough

[OnTheIce]

It's against the law to keep the kids out of school. Start making some calls to CAS.

PJB PJB:

I am getting sick of this political correctness and multi-cultural BS. Why do we need to bend over backwards and take it. These people came to Canada based on what they knew about the Canadian lifestyle yet once here they demand that we change everything to suit the very ideologies that they seemed to want to leave. I wonder what percentage of students enrolled in schools now are taking English as a second language. Now I am not saying that we should close our borders but when is it time to say enough is enough

This is what bothers me about Canada. We stand for nothing but being tolerant.

Our values and traditions change depending on who we're trying to accommodate.

If you want to teach your child nothing but your religious values, put them in a school based on that religion and pay for it yourself.

[N_Fiddledog]

So basically if I'm hearing y'all correctly, I'm getting the impression Kathy has managed to piss off two very large groups of people.

The ones who don't want her and Ben Levin's version of sexual morality rammed down their throats (an admittedly unfortunate turn of phrase.)

and

the ones who don't like her recent idea of Toronto accepting a large number of refugees. The idea of a more open immigration policy seems to be a given here.


She did this with an election coming up. Good strategy Kathy. This is the kind crackerjack new age thinking that's saving Ontario.