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Title: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks | Environment | The Guardian
Category: Environmental
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2014-01-21 07:53:28

[Prof_Chomsky]

duh.

[martin14]

Jesus, Doc, I didn't think you were one to fall for some tin foil nonsense.

Would you care to research how many billions have been spent 'scientists' and 'researchers' in pursuit of claiming the 'truth' about global warming ?

And then, have a look at how much money Gore and Suzuki actually make off this
business nonsense ?

[fifeboy]

Best to nail down the shutters.

[fifeboy]

martin14 martin14:

Jesus, Doc, I didn't think you were one to fall for some tin foil nonsense.

Would you care to research how many billions have been spent 'scientists' and 'researchers' in pursuit of claiming the 'truth' about global warming ?

And then, have a look at how much money Gore and Suzuki actually make off this
business nonsense ?

I don't know about Gore but I thought Suzuki made his pile off of Pandas?

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

Jesus, Doc, I didn't think you were one to fall for some tin foil nonsense.

Would you care to research how many billions have been spent 'scientists' and 'researchers' in pursuit of claiming the 'truth' about global warming ?

And then, have a look at how much money Gore and Suzuki actually make off this
business nonsense ?

Research is the flip side of science. There is a need to test the theories we come up with by observing the universe in action, and creating experiments to verify or logging data to verify those theories. Research isn't wasted money, it's how we have the technology and level of sophistication we enjoy in modern society.

Climate denial isn't science. It's about casting doubt on the research. If they were to do actual research and provide that reproducible data for others to draw the same conclusion from, that's science. Most of the time they are focused on discrediting others, or casting doubt on the results.

I could care less about what Gore and Suzuki do, much the same as I don't care what Donald Trump or Mel Gibson do, and I still don't understand why people trot out a former US Vice President and a Geneticist as though they were authorities on environmental concerns. They are activists! People chide Neil Young for his activism, but no one thinks he's an authority on Oilsands. (not even him!)

And the one part of this whole thing is how political the deniers have made science. People can no longer distinguish the science from the politics.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editoria ... 3495.story

[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

People can no longer distinguish the science from the politics.

That, my dear friend, has been going on for a thousand years. Galileo.

Science IS politics.

Science IS money, whether you wish to admit it or not.




Like everything else in the West now, completely polarized.

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

People can no longer distinguish the science from the politics.

That, my dear friend, has been going on for a thousand years. Galileo.

Science IS politics.

Science IS money, whether you wish to admit it or not.

Like everything else in the West now, completely polarized.

No, I see that there has always been a political component to it. Science isn't politics, but research has a big political component. I was just hoping we were more enlightened than this.

[desertdude]

I'll try a different approach to this, a few questions first how long has research been going on GW, have there been any conclusive results, who is the leading authority on the matter, are there vested political or economic interests, and from what little I care to know most predictions haven't even come close to being right. And after having said done and all the best conclusion is that within 100 to 150 years there could be a increase of anywhere from half to a few degrees increase temp, then I'm sorry whether man made or nit, true or false then I just don't give a fart tbh.

[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

martin14 martin14:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

People can no longer distinguish the science from the politics.

That, my dear friend, has been going on for a thousand years. Galileo.

Science IS politics.

Science IS money, whether you wish to admit it or not.

Like everything else in the West now, completely polarized.

No, I see that there has always been a political component to it. Science isn't politics, but research has a big political component.

The politics decides what we study.. and what we don't.

Researchers need money to keep studying, therefore they have to produce something.
Good or bad, right or wrong, correct research or not, doesn't matter.
Keep the money moving.

You can complain the deniers try to discredit the research, GW research has lots of holes worthy of being exposed. Because of the politics and money involved.

$1:

I was just hoping we were more enlightened than this.

No chance, Doc. Not any more.
It all revolves around money.

[N_Fiddledog]

I'd like to go back to the article in the Guardian for a sec.

It's almost comical, isn't it? They kind of speak in hushed tones about this remarkable secret discovery they've made that money filters into think tanks without anybody being able to identify donors.

The insinuation is this is secret, and it's only the right wing doing it. Ok, so if it is secret it's the worst kept secret in the history of secrets, and both sides do it like crazy and have ever since I followed this.

Personally, I think the left is where the real secret money is. Global warming theology money buries the forces opposed to it.

Have you not heard of the Soros backed Tides foundation that funnels money into leftist causes? You have? Good, give me the names of the donors in Tides who are backing the Neil Young anti-oilsands campaign. Can't do it right? Personally, I think it's the Saudis.

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

$1:

I was just hoping we were more enlightened than this.

No chance, Doc. Not any more.
It all revolves around money.

Yea, I know. It used to be the realm of academia, or the Patron who funded the University. Now it must fit the political agenda of the Numpties running the show.

desertdude desertdude:

And after having said done and all the best conclusion is that within 100 to 150 years there could be a increase of anywhere from half to a few degrees increase temp, then I'm sorry whether man made or nit, true or false then I just don't give a fart tbh.

You should. Even though you and I most likely be around, it's our responsibility to leave the place decent enough for those who follow us to continue what we start.

And a degree in warming is an average, not an absolute. Actual temperatures can vary 10 degrees hot, and 9 degrees cooler to come up with that figure. And 3 - 4 degrees is the likely conservative figure for 100 years. Look at the change we are seeing already, with only a fraction of a degree!

[commanderkai]

And a massive amount of money has been spent for climate change proponents too, with a great deal of it being government funds. Lobbying and activist groups need money, and they'll get it from organizations and individuals who support their goal. This isn't really news.

[desertdude]

Yeah, conservative figure which is just another prediction out of the 100s which have failed to materialize, I'm just going to sit this one out, like I said before IF its true, go after the real culprits and stop trying to force the little man to comply.

[martin14]

desertdude desertdude:

force the little man to comply.

or pay.