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ridenrain ridenrain:

Why don't you just have some more beer & popcorn and shut the hell up.

I would, but we just had to pay a bunch of income tax on our beer and popcorn money, so we're out for a little while.

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Why don't you just have some more beer & popcorn and shut the hell up.

I would, but we just had to pay a bunch of income tax on our beer and popcorn money, so we're out for a little while.

I will gladly take the rest of your beer and popcorn money. Never any under the liberal regime when I would of been eligible for some.

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BartSimpson BartSimpson:

*Not that I agree with his opinions* but it is a serious mistake for him to apologize. He'd be better off saying that he meant it because then the matter would disappear after a while.

*blink blink* What? That would blow the thing right into orbit. To say he meant it would almost certainly carve out a massive chunk of the support the Conservatives have in Quebec and Ontario, and might have brought down the government.

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djakeydd djakeydd:

nice clip Let's all admit it, homosexuality aside, all of Harper's crew are a bunch of fascist, rascist myopic bigots - sort of like most Albertans.

Do let us know the next time you come out west. We'll be certain to arrange a special tour just for you.

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BartSimpson BartSimpson:

djakeydd djakeydd:

nice clip Let's all admit it, homosexuality aside, all of Harper's crew are a bunch of fascist, rascist myopic bigots - sort of like most Albertans.

Harper is not a fascist.

I donno. If we ever see a fascist state emerge in North America, it'll almost certainly be a separate Alberta. There is a serious lack of respect in this province for the rights of minority groups, and a slavish devotion to the same party decade after decade. The voters here do not hold their elected officials to account in any way. And no, turfing McLellan doesn't count because she was just one of 28 seats. You can't really participate in turfing the Liberals when you barely elect any in teh first place.

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Mustang1 Mustang1:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Should Trudeau have been asked to resign for saying racist things in his past?

According to your hypocritical posts, no, because it was longer than 17 year prior to his Prime Ministerial tenure.

So... in trying to traverse you muddled logic, if its about a conservative making socially regressive comments, its subject to a statue of limitations, but if its about Trudeau or a Liberal, it's fair game forever. You got caught with a double standard. Get over it.

Typical unenlightened partisan junk. Shuffle on.

Come on mustang, you can't have it both ways. If Saint PET is okay to support fascists and then he's miraculously rehabilitated, then this idiot's drunken ramblings from 17 years ago should be given the same quarter.
Otherwise you are just as guilty at playing the partisan card as those you accuse of similar conduct.

As I previously mentioned, the world has changed a lot (mostly for the better) in 17 years.
Gays are no longer figures of fun or harassment as they were 20 or so years ago.
That’s why Gay Pride started. To counter the then mainstream views that were definitely less than inclusive towards gays and lesbians.

To judge this 17 year old incident using today’s standards is disingenuous.
The goal posts have moved considerably.
What was acceptable 17 years ago is now totally taboo. Let’s not get too ‘thought-police’ on this.
The guy’s apology was accepted by a fellow parliamentarian who is gay and a NDP member who is in a much better position to sit in judgement on this embarrassing episode than you or the baying mob on this forum and in the media.

Give the guy a break like the gay NDP MP has.

Where did I specifically say I did want it both ways? In fact, I actually wrote in reference to Trudeau, "They outlined his past and tried to integrate it into his character (which, i'm not exactly opposing)

I never once called for a resignation, but i did label his comments "socially regressive and bigoted". I stand by that conclusion.

Sorry, you've mistaken me for the other partisan hacks that operate on this forum.

I was merely pointing out the fact that some hold their political villains to a different standard than their ideological brethren. I have little time for double standards and even less for hypocritical apologists.

Oh...and 17 years ago is hardly ancient history (I'm certainly not guilty of retrospective errors) and those comments are indeed unenlightened junk - and in 1991, that's certainly the case (again...i'm not advocating for dismissal or formal actions, but i'm not falling for banal intellectual relativism)

I realise that the point you made was aimed at riden (bless him!) and I agree that people should be held accountable.
For optics sake if I was Harper I'd bin this guy from his current post as a message to the masses.
Plus it would take some of the sting from the lynch mob's message.

I kind of disagree about 17 years being ancient history. If you look at the change in mainstream social views from 1991 to 2008, thee have been huge differences.
I don't know how old you are but I was well into my second career in 1991 (after 10 years in the military)and I can tell you that I have definitely been 're-educated', mostly not by my choice.
My views have changed, matured and I'm open to many ideas that I wasn't 17 years ago. That includes my views on gays, immigration, freedom of religion and sexual equality. Besides my own views I have been on numerous courses that have given me a new outlook on many communities within our society that I was quite ignorant about.
In all these areas mainstream views could not be more different than they were in 1991.
That was my point that you seem to have glossed over with your usual poetic prose.

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mtbr mtbr:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Why don't you just have some more beer & popcorn and shut the hell up.

I would, but we just had to pay a bunch of income tax on our beer and popcorn money, so we're out for a little while.

I will gladly take the rest of your beer and popcorn money. Never any under the liberal regime when I would of been eligible for some.

It's like this: With our pretty damn good, though with room for improvement, parental benefits, my wife was able to stay home for a year to look after our kid. We didn't need any of those cheques. We won't need any for some time to come. They just go into our general revenue, if you will, to be spent on our various expenses - the biggest of which is putting a roof over all our heads.

Am I going to give them up to someone else? No. Would I be sad if they disappeared so that someone who does need to put their kid in daycare can because $100/month won't cover it, but their $100 and mine and a few others' who don't need them either all put together would pay for a spot for them? No. Divided this money accomplishes nothing. Concentrated, we could really help a few people who need it. But the Conservatives don't give a rat's ass for outcomes. All they care about is their sound bites and ideology.

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

But the Conservatives don't give a rat's ass for outcomes. All they care about is their sound bites and ideology.

Sorta like the Liberals and Kyoto? It looked good, but didn't do a god damn thing.

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RUEZ RUEZ:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

But the Conservatives don't give a rat's ass for outcomes. All they care about is their sound bites and ideology.

Sorta like the Liberals and Kyoto? It looked good, but didn't do a god damn thing.

We haven't bought any emissions credits from other countries, we haven't forced industry to curb emissions. Part of the perverse beauty of not doing anything is it doesn't cost anything. To date, no money has been wasted on Kyoto. Harper's blown who knows how much money sending cheques to people who don't pay anything for child care.

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

But the Conservatives don't give a rat's ass for outcomes. All they care about is their sound bites and ideology.

Sorta like the Liberals and Kyoto? It looked good, but didn't do a god damn thing.

We haven't bought any emissions credits from other countries, we haven't forced industry to curb emissions. Part of the perverse beauty of not doing anything is it doesn't cost anything. To date, no money has been wasted on Kyoto. Harper's blown who knows how much money sending cheques to people who don't pay anything for child care.

You want to talk about the Liberals wasting money?

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

djakeydd djakeydd:

nice clip Let's all admit it, homosexuality aside, all of Harper's crew are a bunch of fascist, rascist myopic bigots - sort of like most Albertans.

Harper is not a fascist.

I donno. If we ever see a fascist state emerge in North America, it'll almost certainly be a separate Alberta. There is a serious lack of respect in this province for the rights of minority groups, and a slavish devotion to the same party decade after decade. The voters here do not hold their elected officials to account in any way. And no, turfing McLellan doesn't count because she was just one of 28 seats. You can't really participate in turfing the Liberals when you barely elect any in teh first place.

Just your opinion no facts to back it up. You also agree than it is okay to stereotype Albertans.

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RUEZ RUEZ:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

But the Conservatives don't give a rat's ass for outcomes. All they care about is their sound bites and ideology.

Sorta like the Liberals and Kyoto? It looked good, but didn't do a god damn thing.

We haven't bought any emissions credits from other countries, we haven't forced industry to curb emissions. Part of the perverse beauty of not doing anything is it doesn't cost anything. To date, no money has been wasted on Kyoto. Harper's blown who knows how much money sending cheques to people who don't pay anything for child care.

You want to talk about the Liberals wasting money?

Touche. But you brought up Kyoto, and as far as that versus the child care benefit, Kyoto cost us no money as a country and cost no person any lost opportunities. The Child Care benefit has seen I don't know how much money flow directly out of government coffers, and left many families still unable to pay for needed child care.

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mtbr mtbr:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

djakeydd djakeydd:

nice clip Let's all admit it, homosexuality aside, all of Harper's crew are a bunch of fascist, rascist myopic bigots - sort of like most Albertans.

Harper is not a fascist.

I donno. If we ever see a fascist state emerge in North America, it'll almost certainly be a separate Alberta. There is a serious lack of respect in this province for the rights of minority groups, and a slavish devotion to the same party decade after decade. The voters here do not hold their elected officials to account in any way. And no, turfing McLellan doesn't count because she was just one of 28 seats. You can't really participate in turfing the Liberals when you barely elect any in teh first place.

Just your opinion no facts to back it up. You also agree than it is okay to stereotype Albertans.

Facts like the fact that ten years aver Vriend won his case, homosexual right have still not been enshrined as directed by the supreme court. Facts like the fact that the provincial government is all too happy to trounce the rights of those with soft tissue injury to seek appropriate compensation for those injuries. Facts like the fact that we'll have had, by the next election, over forty years of one party rule in the legislature.

I'm not stereotyping Albertans. I'm observing a pattern of disrespect for minority rights on the part of our elected government and absolutely no attempt on the part of the voters to hold them to account for it.

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

But the Conservatives don't give a rat's ass for outcomes. All they care about is their sound bites and ideology.

Sorta like the Liberals and Kyoto? It looked good, but didn't do a god damn thing.

We haven't bought any emissions credits from other countries, we haven't forced industry to curb emissions. Part of the perverse beauty of not doing anything is it doesn't cost anything. To date, no money has been wasted on Kyoto. Harper's blown who knows how much money sending cheques to people who don't pay anything for child care.

You want to talk about the Liberals wasting money?

Touche. But you brought up Kyoto, and as far as that versus the child care benefit, Kyoto cost us no money as a country and cost no person any lost opportunities. The Child Care benefit has seen I don't know how much money flow directly out of government coffers, and left many families still unable to pay for needed child care.

I understand that, but I was making a point about sound bites and ideology, and no outcomes. I could have substituted that for the gun registry which would have made my point even better.

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hurley_108 hurley_108:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

djakeydd djakeydd:

nice clip Let's all admit it, homosexuality aside, all of Harper's crew are a bunch of fascist, rascist myopic bigots - sort of like most Albertans.

Harper is not a fascist.

I donno. If we ever see a fascist state emerge in North America, it'll almost certainly be a separate Alberta. There is a serious lack of respect in this province for the rights of minority groups, and a slavish devotion to the same party decade after decade. The voters here do not hold their elected officials to account in any way. And no, turfing McLellan doesn't count because she was just one of 28 seats. You can't really participate in turfing the Liberals when you barely elect any in teh first place.

I highly doubt it. It will more likely take root in a province that is used to and accepting of the heavy hand of government in their daily lives (hardly something one associates with Alberta and Albertans), like Ontario or Quebec.