[EyeBrock]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

This is one of those debates where both sides believe that their point of view is the right one.

You believe that Quebec is a mis-understood province that pays it’s way.

I believe Quebec pretends it’s a country and wants’ us to pay for that ersatz-nationhood.

When Quebec stops pretending it’s the Peoples Republic of New France and takes part in the Canadian federation of provinces, I’ll change my views.

How does Quebec not take part in the confederation? It pays taxes, has citizens in the military losing lives and legs in Afghanistan, has politicians in Ottawa, many of which have led the country (and done more for it than any others). Quebec HANDED the rest of the country ALL of its national symbols, including the national anthem. Quebec politicians in Ottawa were responsible for the repatriation of the Constitution from your country.

Quebec has not only played its part in the Canadian federation, but it has played a bigger part than any other province.

$1:

And despite what you and your 'Little Frenchies' think, Canada is a country.

When have I said anything to the contrary. I know Canada is a real country, but it is NOT a unitary state governing a sing, united people and it never has been.

I am extremely proud to be a Canadian, and I am very patriotic. I also understand Canada at a level you never will, because I am part of both founding linguistic communities. You are nothing but an old British fart who
takes this country for some kind of extension of his old one. I think you immigrated to Canada about 40 years too late, mate. Canada has TWO founding nations : the English AND the French. Clearly, you're only concerned with one of them.

$1:

Make all the verbose labels on your view of nationhood that you can think up and quote me a few of your separatist student debates too, although they are very boring (too much lecturing for me).
It won't change the fact that you guys don't want to be part of Canada but do want the benefits.

If Quebec didn't want to be part of Canada, it wouldn't be. The fact is, and the stats support this, that the majority of Quebeckers want to stay in Canada. It doesn't mean they all have to start wearing maple leaf underwear and singing O Canada. They are not and will never be Canadian in the same way that English Canadians are. It is the same in every multi-national country (Belgium, Switzerland, Spain, Italy etc...) There were always be people in such countries who identify more with their region than with the collectivity of regions. It's natural; deal with it.

$1:

When I ever met Canadians overseas they didn’t say “I’m an Albertan” or “I’m a New Brunswicker.” They said they were “Canadian.” I also met a few people from Quebec who said they were ‘Quebecois’ or ‘Quebeckers’ though.

So what? Most Quebeckers end up having to say they are from Canada anyway, since most non-Canadians don't know what Québécois means.


Quebec first. In every other province Canada comes first. That about sums it up.

Bullshit. Speak for yourself. Newfies are Newfies first and foremost. Albertans have threatened separation over federal interference in the oil industry. There are so many ingrates willing to sell this country out in a heartbeat. It makes me sick because I personally have a Canada first attitude.

$1:

You guys just think you are a distinct society in a country that pays your bills and leaves you alone. The rest of us see you as reluctant Canadians not willing to work with the rest of us.

So quick to speak on behalf of all the ROC. Interesting. Quebec is clearly a distinct society, and that will never change. The sooner you get used to it, the better.

As for cooperation, Quebec fully cooperates with the federal government in those areas of its concern. In those areas where the federal government has no jurisdiction, they don't have to take orders from the feds, so why would they?

$1:

You guys just are not part of the Canadian team.

It's a good thing Quebeckers are part of the Canadian national hockey team, for example, otherwise we'd be fucked!

But I guess you're the guy responsible for picking who is part of the Canadian team and who isn't.

$1:

Oh and on the licence plate, we maybe don't plaster ominous lines as "I remember" like your pretend country does, but we do remember.

You are such a moron. 'I remember' is the first part of a poem written in the late 19th century by a prominent, federalist French-Canadian statesman named Taché, who recognised the democratic contribution the British made to French-Canada. It goes like this: I remember that, born under the lily, I grew under the rose.

And I don't think you remember much of anything, if you ask me. In Ontario, I could walk down the street TODAY and ask everyone I pass who the Prime Minister is and I guarantee that over half of them will not be able to tell me.

Ah personal insults. Nothing else left then?

[ASLplease]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

In Ontario, I could walk down the street TODAY and ask everyone I pass who the Prime Minister is and I guarantee that over half of them will not be able to tell me.

Comments like this are very revealling about how you view most hard working law abiding canadians.

It would not surprise me if you are in favor of gun control and vote left wing.

[ASLplease]

oops, I didn't see your mention that it was Ontario. You are correct, the half that you are talking about probably don't know who the prime minister is, AND they probably support gun control aned vote left wing

[EyeBrock]

ASLplease ASLplease:

oops, I didn't see your mention that it was Ontario. You are correct, the half that you are talking about probably don't know who the prime minister is, AND they probably support gun control aned vote left wing

And if it's Toronto or Hamilton, half won't understand English or French.

[PimpBrewski123]

Ok, in all fairness, this good 'ol Quebec bashing is getting old.

Actually, in the province, there are Federalists. That means pro-Canadians. In fact, the PLQ, a Federalist party has been elected in this province of Quebec since 2003.

There are not only separatists in the province. They, Péquistes, are the ones usually voicing their controversial opinions, often over the majority being Federalists. But the funny fact, and here it is, they are only 30% or so PQ supporters, even less actual separatists. The same as for the RRQ and Societe St-Jean-Baptiste that do no, repeat, do not represent the population.

It serves no purpose for me to resort to insults. But know this, that insults from the ROC only adds fuel to the sovereignty movement.

So, there are Pro-Canada people in the province. Only pointing this out since it is a known fact and seems to be ignored by some on this forum.

[Zipperfish]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

In Ontario, I could walk down the street TODAY and ask everyone I pass who the Prime Minister is and I guarantee that over half of them will not be able to tell me.

That's not a fair comparison. Everyone knows Ontarians are retarded.

When I went to Quebec they called a house a maison. A hat was a chapeau. A car was a voiture. It's like they got a different word for everything there.

[Wada]

[MacDonaill]

ASLplease ASLplease:

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

In Ontario, I could walk down the street TODAY and ask everyone I pass who the Prime Minister is and I guarantee that over half of them will not be able to tell me.

Comments like this are very revealling about how you view most hard working law abiding canadians.

You're right. But you permit yourself to speak to me as though I were something other than a law-abiding, hardworking Canadian. I work every single day, and I don't break any laws. I'm critical of this country because I truly adore it, and don't think many of the ambitionless people living here even deserve to.

$1:

It would not surprise me if you are in favor of gun control and vote left wing.

I'm not a left-winger, but voting left wing and believing in gun control doesn't make someone a bad or incredulous person. But I'm glad to know you have such a global perspective on shit.

[MacDonaill]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

This is one of those debates where both sides believe that their point of view is the right one.

You believe that Quebec is a mis-understood province that pays it’s way.

I believe Quebec pretends it’s a country and wants’ us to pay for that ersatz-nationhood.

When Quebec stops pretending it’s the Peoples Republic of New France and takes part in the Canadian federation of provinces, I’ll change my views.

How does Quebec not take part in the confederation? It pays taxes, has citizens in the military losing lives and legs in Afghanistan, has politicians in Ottawa, many of which have led the country (and done more for it than any others). Quebec HANDED the rest of the country ALL of its national symbols, including the national anthem. Quebec politicians in Ottawa were responsible for the repatriation of the Constitution from your country.

Quebec has not only played its part in the Canadian federation, but it has played a bigger part than any other province.

$1:

And despite what you and your 'Little Frenchies' think, Canada is a country.

When have I said anything to the contrary. I know Canada is a real country, but it is NOT a unitary state governing a sing, united people and it never has been.

I am extremely proud to be a Canadian, and I am very patriotic. I also understand Canada at a level you never will, because I am part of both founding linguistic communities. You are nothing but an old British fart who
takes this country for some kind of extension of his old one. I think you immigrated to Canada about 40 years too late, mate. Canada has TWO founding nations : the English AND the French. Clearly, you're only concerned with one of them.

$1:

Make all the verbose labels on your view of nationhood that you can think up and quote me a few of your separatist student debates too, although they are very boring (too much lecturing for me).
It won't change the fact that you guys don't want to be part of Canada but do want the benefits.

If Quebec didn't want to be part of Canada, it wouldn't be. The fact is, and the stats support this, that the majority of Quebeckers want to stay in Canada. It doesn't mean they all have to start wearing maple leaf underwear and singing O Canada. They are not and will never be Canadian in the same way that English Canadians are. It is the same in every multi-national country (Belgium, Switzerland, Spain, Italy etc...) There were always be people in such countries who identify more with their region than with the collectivity of regions. It's natural; deal with it.

$1:

When I ever met Canadians overseas they didn’t say “I’m an Albertan” or “I’m a New Brunswicker.” They said they were “Canadian.” I also met a few people from Quebec who said they were ‘Quebecois’ or ‘Quebeckers’ though.

So what? Most Quebeckers end up having to say they are from Canada anyway, since most non-Canadians don't know what Québécois means.


Quebec first. In every other province Canada comes first. That about sums it up.

Bullshit. Speak for yourself. Newfies are Newfies first and foremost. Albertans have threatened separation over federal interference in the oil industry. There are so many ingrates willing to sell this country out in a heartbeat. It makes me sick because I personally have a Canada first attitude.

$1:

You guys just think you are a distinct society in a country that pays your bills and leaves you alone. The rest of us see you as reluctant Canadians not willing to work with the rest of us.

So quick to speak on behalf of all the ROC. Interesting. Quebec is clearly a distinct society, and that will never change. The sooner you get used to it, the better.

As for cooperation, Quebec fully cooperates with the federal government in those areas of its concern. In those areas where the federal government has no jurisdiction, they don't have to take orders from the feds, so why would they?

$1:

You guys just are not part of the Canadian team.

It's a good thing Quebeckers are part of the Canadian national hockey team, for example, otherwise we'd be fucked!

But I guess you're the guy responsible for picking who is part of the Canadian team and who isn't.

$1:

Oh and on the licence plate, we maybe don't plaster ominous lines as "I remember" like your pretend country does, but we do remember.

You are such a moron. 'I remember' is the first part of a poem written in the late 19th century by a prominent, federalist French-Canadian statesman named Taché, who recognised the democratic contribution the British made to French-Canada. It goes like this: I remember that, born under the lily, I grew under the rose.

And I don't think you remember much of anything, if you ask me. In Ontario, I could walk down the street TODAY and ask everyone I pass who the Prime Minister is and I guarantee that over half of them will not be able to tell me.

Ah personal insults. Nothing else left then?

You know what, you're right. Using the word 'moron' at the end was stupid of me because it gave you a get-out-of-jail-free card which allowed you to not address the barrage of salient arguments I made in the post.

My bad!

[MacDonaill]

PimpBrewski123 PimpBrewski123:

Ok, in all fairness, this good 'ol Quebec bashing is getting old.

Actually, in the province, there are Federalists. That means pro-Canadians. In fact, the PLQ, a Federalist party has been elected in this province of Quebec since 2003.

There are not only separatists in the province. They, Péquistes, are the ones usually voicing their controversial opinions, often over the majority being Federalists. But the funny fact, and here it is, they are only 30% or so PQ supporters, even less actual separatists. The same as for the RRQ and Societe St-Jean-Baptiste that do no, repeat, do not represent the population.

It serves no purpose for me to resort to insults. But know this, that insults from the ROC only adds fuel to the sovereignty movement.

So, there are Pro-Canada people in the province. Only pointing this out since it is a known fact and seems to be ignored by some on this forum.

Cherche pas à les instruire; ce sont de vieux rouspéteurs incorrigibles qui ne changeront jamais d'idée. Tout comme certaines gens que nous connaissons au Québec qui méprisent sans cesse 'les Anglais' mais qui n'en connaissent même pas! Les deux camps sont également ridicules.

Le fait même qu'il faut soumettre à leur attention de telles statistiques de base sert à démontrer leur ignorance profonde du sujet.

[ASLplease]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

PimpBrewski123 PimpBrewski123:

Ok, in all fairness, this good 'ol Quebec bashing is getting old.

Actually, in the province, there are Federalists. That means pro-Canadians. In fact, the PLQ, a Federalist party has been elected in this province of Quebec since 2003.

There are not only separatists in the province. They, Péquistes, are the ones usually voicing their controversial opinions, often over the majority being Federalists. But the funny fact, and here it is, they are only 30% or so PQ supporters, even less actual separatists. The same as for the RRQ and Societe St-Jean-Baptiste that do no, repeat, do not represent the population.

It serves no purpose for me to resort to insults. But know this, that insults from the ROC only adds fuel to the sovereignty movement.

So, there are Pro-Canada people in the province. Only pointing this out since it is a known fact and seems to be ignored by some on this forum.

Cherche pas à les instruire; ce sont de vieux rouspéteurs incorrigibles qui ne changeront jamais d'idée. Tout comme certaines gens que nous connaissons au Québec qui méprisent sans cesse 'les Anglais' mais qui n'en connaissent même pas! Les deux camps sont également ridicules.

Le fait même qu'il faut soumettre à leur attention de telles statistiques de base sert à démontrer leur ignorance profonde du sujet.

You did what with who?

[kenmore]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

ASLplease ASLplease:

oops, I didn't see your mention that it was Ontario. You are correct, the half that you are talking about probably don't know who the prime minister is, AND they probably support gun control aned vote left wing

And if it's Toronto or Hamilton, half won't understand English or French.

Which is really friggin wrong!

[ASLplease]

kenmore kenmore:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

ASLplease ASLplease:

oops, I didn't see your mention that it was Ontario. You are correct, the half that you are talking about probably don't know who the prime minister is, AND they probably support gun control aned vote left wing

And if it's Toronto or Hamilton, half won't understand English or French.

Which is really friggin wrong!

good god, I hope you are only joking.

[EyeBrock]

On which bit? People in Toronto or Hamiliton (60% of them) don't speak English or French. Try it out at a Chinese mall in Toronto, or go to Brampton etc.

[kenmore]

No I'm not!