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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:51 am
bootlegga bootlegga: His first five or six books were great - after that though, the stories kind of went off the deep end and became a platform for his political views. The worst was when he spun series off using his name but written by other authors (Endwar is particularly brutal).
Still, I do own his classics (in no particular order - Red Storm Rising, Red October, Cardinal in the Kremlin, Patriot Games, Sum of All Fears, Clear and Present Danger & Without Remorse) and freely admit he was a master storyteller.
RIP Mr. Clancy My #1 favorite is Debt of Honor. I must've read that story at least twenty times since 1994.
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:27 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: bootlegga bootlegga: His first five or six books were great - after that though, the stories kind of went off the deep end and became a platform for his political views. The worst was when he spun series off using his name but written by other authors (Endwar is particularly brutal).
Still, I do own his classics (in no particular order - Red Storm Rising, Red October, Cardinal in the Kremlin, Patriot Games, Sum of All Fears, Clear and Present Danger & Without Remorse) and freely admit he was a master storyteller.
RIP Mr. Clancy My #1 favorite is Debt of Honor. I must've read that story at least twenty times since 1994. Oh, I missed that one... Other than Without Remorse and Rainbow Six, Debt of Honor was his last really good book IMHO. After that, they just seemed to lose something from my POV. I certainly didn't are for Jack Ryan as President, and his latest with Jack Jr. (The Campus or something like that) seem way too much like wish fulfillment/revenge to me.
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:41 am
bootlegga bootlegga: ...and his latest with Jack Jr. (The Campus or something like that) seem way too much like wish fulfillment/revenge to me. His notion of The Campus is actually spot on for how the US conducts a lot of clandestine policy operations. This kind of thing gives the government plausible deniability when these so-called contractors get caught doing things they were ordered to do. The US has been doing that kind of thing since the 1950's and it's nothing new under the sun.
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:44 am
I never really read much after Debt of Honor, but his early books are all classics, in my eyes, and I can read Red Storm Rising over and over without complaint. I really think that Red Storm Rising movie or miniseries would probably be an epic piece of entertainment.
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:44 am
Damn. My favourite author of all time. Two of my favourite books were his: The Hunt for Red October, and Rainbow Six.
R.I.P. Mr. Clancy
-J.
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:46 am
commanderkai commanderkai: I never really read much after Debt of Honor, but his early books are all classics, in my eyes, and I can read Red Storm Rising over and over without complaint. I really think that Red Storm Rising movie or miniseries would probably be an epic piece of entertainment. It would not be made today because 1) the Communists were the aggressors and 2) NATO was the good guys. Hollyweird won't do jack sh*t anymore if it makes America look good.
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:30 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: Solid book, I enjoyed it. I like how he's written "the campus." Rainbow six and Without Remorse were my favourites.
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:13 pm
RIP, Mr Clancy, a great pro-government conservative:$1: Less remembered, I think, is the extent to which Clancy forecasted a lot of the messaging of the Tea Party movement in Executive Orders. In the sequel to Debt Of Honor, Jack Ryan’s become president, and to rebuild the government, he explicitly asks the governors who have to replace Senators and the voters who are choosing new members of the House of Representatives not to “send me politicians” because “We do not have the time to do the things that must be done through that process.” Specifically, Ryan wants “engineers who know how things are built. I want physicians who know how to make sick people well. I want cops who know what it means when your civil rights are violated by a criminal. I want farmers who grow real food on real farms. I want people who know what it’s like to have dirty hands, and pay a mortgage bill, and raise kids, and worry about the future. I want people who know they’re working for you and not themselves.”
In the world of Executive Orders, this is a cathartic process that gives a way people to invest in their government again after a national tragedy, and gives ordinary citizens actual power to make the policies and decisions that guide the nation out of an astonishing catastrophe. Even in the reality of the novel, however, Ryan ends up imposing martial law in response to the spread of an exceptionally deadly strain of Ebola. But he ultimately announces that he’ll run for president, seeking validation of his performance in a position he rose to first by appointment and then out of necessity. It’s a vision of government where self-interest doesn’t poison things, one that embraces the fallacy that if we just set aside partisanship and do what needs to be done – because of course, the right thing is clear, and a broad consensus exists in support of it – great things can come out of disaster. If only the honourable characters from the realm of fiction actually existed in the real world..... 
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:56 pm
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:07 am
Tom Clancy was my favorite author growing up... RIP.
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:00 am
He was definitely one of my favorite authors.
Via Con Dios Tom
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:32 am
Pearson PLC (owners of Peguin Random House Publishers) saw their share value fall 2% yesterday on the news that Clancy had passed away. That's star-power.
RIP
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:07 am
I didn't read any of his books but I think he was a good man. All writers are good. RIP
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:16 am
Thanos Thanos: If only the honourable characters from the realm of fiction actually existed in the real world.....  Sometimes they do. 
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:17 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: A picture from Boston pics 
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