[N_Fiddledog]

[Goober911]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

The Israeli government is not the Israeli people, just like so many say the Harper government is not representative of Canada or Canadians. All another intifada is going to accomplish is creating a lot of dead Arabs.

True. Recall the last trip into Gaza.
The present Govt has thrown up roadblocks to a peace settlement.
Kerist- They announced an expansion of Jerusalem the day Biden landed.
What he should have done was get right back on the plane.

Do not think for a moment that I ignore or condone what Hamas and Hezbollah do and what they stand for. The obliteration of all Jews. .

[ShepherdsDog]

The Israelis offered a whack of concessions to the Arabs under Rabin and Peres.....they thumbed their noses at them. The death of the dove movement and Netanyahoo and his hawks are the consequence of that.

$1:

Recall the last trip into Gaza.

Most westerners are unaware of the fact that it is Arab Israelis - all volunteers(unlike the Druze and Bedouins) - who do most of the IDF policing and operations in the Arab areas.

[Thanos]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

The Israelis offered a whack of concessions to the Arabs under Rabin and Peres.....they thumbed their noses at them. The death of the dove movement and Netanyahoo and his hawks are the consequence of that.

Pretty much. Hamas makes it easier for Nets and his pals to do what they do. Fairly sure that by mid-July the score of dead Palestinian kids to dead Israeli kids with be about 300 to 3, but Hamas and the rest of the assholes on the Muslim side have never really shown that they give a shit about that. All they did with this latest bloodletting was give Nets an excuse to open fire again.

[Goober911]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

The Israelis offered a whack of concessions to the Arabs under Rabin and Peres.....they thumbed their noses at them. The death of the dove movement and Netanyahoo and his hawks are the consequence of that.

Agreed. And Israel is fast losing friends in the world community under the present Prime Minister Netanyahu - Govt.
Now consider a West Bank Intifada. How will that play out on the world stage. Because that is where it will play.
Just like the last Gaza War did.
Israel won the battle but lost in the world community.

[ShepherdsDog]

Bibi doesn't give a rat's ass about world opinion.

[BartSimpson]

Goober911 Goober911:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Goober911 Goober911:

Lots of hate and enough killing to go on and on.

Golda Meir once said: "There will be peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate the Jews."

We're just not there yet.

Get ready for another intifada.
Israel's Gov't. is fast becoming on the wrong side of the Western media.

Fixed that for you.

[Goober911]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Fixed that for you.

No need to fix anything. Let me clear up a few things.

I support Israel.

I support a 2 state agreement- I support Israeli troops on the Jordanian border.

I support Jerusalem as a capital of Israel and Palestine.

I support Israel & defensible borders.

I support an agreement where if Terror attacks take place, if nothing is done, then Israel has the right to capture, kill these people.

Same would apply to Israelis that attack Arabs.
Ceptin they would go to another country for trial.

If (from Palestine) captured then tried in Israel or a Western countries court based upon the rule of Law.

I do not support the present govt throwing up roadblocks to an agreement.

[BartSimpson]

Myself, I support an Israel that is governed from Jerusalem and that includes its current borders along with the West Bank, Golan Heights, and Gaza.

As to the Palestinians, who are the descendants of the Phillistines and who, in turn, were the antecessors of the Carthaginians I'm enamored of the historical symmetry that would occur were the Israelis to do to the Palestinians what the Romans did to the Carthaginians.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

As to the Palestinians, who are the descendants of the Phillistines and who, in turn, were the antecessors of the Carthaginians

Where the hell did you read that Bullshit? The Philistines were thought to be Greeks/Minoans, according to current archaeological findings, and the Carthaginians were Phoenician(Semites). The Philistines disappeared completely from history by 1100 BC as they were conquered by and assimilated into the Hebrew kingdoms . The present day 'Palestinian' is a mix of Arab, Greek and Ottoman, with about 25% being the descendants of the remaining Hebrews who converted to Christianity and Islam

[andyt]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

(Air) Raid kills bugs dead

Heil Hitler

[Goober911]

andyt andyt:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

(Air) Raid kills bugs dead

Heil Hitler

And that contributes what to the discussion

[ShepherdsDog]

andyt andyt:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

(Air) Raid kills bugs dead

Heil Hitler

Guess he had some time between scrubbing the bathroom and thawing some pastry.....both of which are finger licking events in his workday.

[Public_Domain]

[andyt]

Goober911 Goober911:

andyt andyt:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

(Air) Raid kills bugs dead

Heil Hitler

And that contributes what to the discussion

Collective punishment is what the Nazis did in WWII. Suggesting it be applied to Palestinians only contributes more hate to the discussion. How an air raid is supposed to be a sane response to the kidnapping of three people is beyond me.

If people said about Jews what Shep allows himself to say about Palestinians, the cries about anti-semitism would reach the heavens. But somehow it seems it's OK to say those things about the Palestinians.

This was the only sensible comment made in the whole discussion:

peck420 peck420:

Yup...the Jews are angels in this region... .

There is no good guy in this debate, there is only asshat and dickface...choose your sides accordingly.