[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

Laws gotta apply to everyone equally or they don't work worth a damn. Allow some 'harmless' squatter to do it once and it opens up the floodgates to illegal grow-ops, dens for lunatics hiding from black helicopters, religious cultists, or radicals getting ready to launch an assassination campaign against the police. And that doesn't even include the assessable damage that gets done by poachers and idiots screwing around with waterways. There's lots of legal land in the boonies that anyone can purchase to do what they want with. They don't need to do it on public land for whatever goofball fuckery they're trying to get away with.

All supposedly private land in Canada is Crown land. No one in Canada holds a land grant or alluvial title that would give them sovereign ownership of their land.

Which is a terrific thing, because it keeps libertarian businessmen and other Randroid lunatics from opening up gold mines with tailings ponds full of leeching cyanide near rivers that provide the bulk of the potable water for farmers, towns, and cities downstream. The ability to set a body of water ablaze due to all the chemicals that get dumped in it isn't the sort of example of personal liberty that any person should be proud of.

Said it before, said it again. The 'rights' argument falls apart entirely when it gets used by the most greedy, indifferent, reckless, and outright evil people imaginable to commit whatever mayhem they want without consequence. Hobbes trumps Ayn Rand by a factor of about a billion and will always do so. Provable facts over foolish theoretical daydreaming FTW, Alex.

[herbie]

You apply for a land use permit. No permanent guarantees, but that's how you see things like cell towers and windfarms go up. Built radio-TV-Internet relays on mountaintops that need those.
You don't own the land but get to use it.
Dad used to have a cabin on Mt. Seymour from before WW2. Burnt down around 1970, but because it was now a park, couldn't renew to rebuild.
You don't getactual property tax as it's provincial and not regional or municipal.

[BeaverFever]

$1:

Under what authority would a municipality collect property tax from a national or provincial government?

The same authority that gives them the right to collect property tax from anyone else. I'm surprised that you'd think it would be otherwise. Municipalities have the power to develop their own bylaws and apply them to inhabitants of the municipality. Full stop.

Federal government especially would have no authority to prevent that. Powers are constitutionally divided. Just like Barack Obama can't set the speed limit in your town or change the days that garbage is collected.

Provincial government would have to pass special laws to exempt themselves from any municipal laws in their province, which none has ever done to my knowledge.

$1:

I see nothing in Lexis-Nexis referring to building codes outside of those reserves that have their own codes.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Sounds like you're saying "Indian Municipalities don't have building codes, except the ones that do"

[BeaverFever]

$1:

All supposedly private land in Canada is Crown land. No one in Canada holds a land grant or alluvial title that would give them sovereign ownership of their land.

I think all that really means is that you can't secede and declare your lot to be a sovereign nation. And you can't unreasonably deny police access, etc.

The only other thing is that the government can force you to sell them your property under expropriation, but they still have to pay you fair value for it and they still have to go through the courts to get it upheld. Expropriation is much more common in the US and used for much broader range of things down there, including transferring the land to another private owner like someone who want to build a Wal-Mart where your house is. Up here expropriation is still almost exclusively used for things like expanding highways, airports, military bases, and other 'public assets' that are in the public interest.

[DrCaleb]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

$1:

All supposedly private land in Canada is Crown land. No one in Canada holds a land grant or alluvial title that would give them sovereign ownership of their land.

I think all that means is that you can't secede and declare your lot to be a sovereign nation.

No, it means in Canada, we have no right in the Charter to 'own' property. The Crown can seize property at will, therefore we don't really 'own' it as citizens.

[BeaverFever]

D'oh!! Caught in an edit.

The only other thing I'll add is that to "seize" property as opposed to expropriation (forced sale) would be for things like criminal assets, unpaid debts and fines, child support etc. They can't just seize it at will for their own convenience and still have to go through due process and the courts.

I can't think of any civilization where a government hasn't had that power in some fashion.

[herbie]

The Crown's pretty limited as to seizing property at it's will. But if you want I can show you some properties around here where it's limited will seized 'freemen's' land when they didn't pay their taxes on it for many years.
The "render unto Caesar" has never gone away.

[Thanos]

That's because, unlike the Wall Street prima donnas with their groady-to-the-max anarcho-capitalist Freeman horseshit, it's Caesar that ends up doing the grunt work like building roads, schools, and hospitals.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

That's because, unlike the Wall Street prima donnas with their groady-to-the-max anarcho-capitalist Freeman horseshit, it's Caesar that ends up doing the grunt work like building roads, schools, and hospitals.

Venom much today?

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Venom much today?

No, why do you ask?

[BartSimpson]

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

That's because, unlike the Wall Street prima donnas with their groady-to-the-max anarcho-capitalist Freeman horseshit, it's Caesar that ends up doing the grunt work like building roads, schools, and hospitals.

Venom much today?

No. I'm fairly happy and engaged today. I just find it more than a bit puzzling when defenders of individual rights stick up for corporate monoliths that have done more in the last thirty five years (thanks Reagan) to harm the individual American than practically anything your federal government has done over the past two hundred and thirty five years. At least the feds can say that they rose people up out of slavery. A Wall Street system and an upper caste of uber-wealthy that've been busily putting as many Americans that they possibly can back into a state of serfdom (virtual now, literal later) certainly can't ever make the same sort of claim.