[BartSimpson]

sandorski sandorski:

If the Westboro Baptist Church is part of Christianity, then obviously the Westboro Baptist Church is Christianity. By your argument.

The Westboro Baptists are Christians in much the same way the Wahhabists are Muslims.

The difference is that there's less than fifty members of the Westboro Baptist Church who are really just a PITA while there's at least five million acknowledged Wahhabists and another estimated 30 million Sunnis who are sympathetic to them (per Wiki).

The fifty or so Westboro people have never been attributed with even a single murder. The Wahhabists will likely kill more people today than there are members of the Westboro Church.

Yet you equate them as equally dangerous which is absolutely absurd.

[Thanos]

andyt andyt:

Yes, but I also meant the bullshit that's playing out where it's obvious that SA is promoting jihad around the world yet the West keeps sucking their dick. So the subset of Islam is a factor being used to cause strife, but there is a reason why, and why we don't do anything about it, just keep pretending it's only about the jihadis. Ie jihadism is not a cause but a result of a deeper cause. I know looking at root causes is anathema, but there seems to be something pushing this that goes deeper than religion, and that the West is complicit in.

It's probably no simpler than the unspoken reality that two foreign countries in this world basically own the entire political system of the United States. The first one is clearly Israel. The second one is Saudi Arabia. I suspect that at this point in the corruption of American politics that any politician who openly came out against Saudi Arabia would end up having as much money put towards destroying him/her as much as if they came out against Israel (or, more specifically, against Likud). Rand Paul demanding the redacted pages from the 9/11 Report that detailed Saudi complicity in the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon be released to the public unedited is an exception for anyone in the Congress, or even the White House. The vast majority of American politicians are in as much of a bow-and-kneel mode towards the Saudis as they are whenever Benjamin Netanyahu comes to town. Toss in the incestuous connections between American oil companies that are partnered with the Saudis as well as over thirty years worth of incredibly lucrative weapon sales to Riyadh and the entanglement becomes even more impossible for the US to ever get out of.

[N_Fiddledog]

sandorski sandorski:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

sandorski sandorski:

Prepared to use the same "Reasoning" elsewhere?

Explain.

If the Westboro Baptist Church is part of Christianity, then obviously the Westboro Baptist Church is Christianity. By your argument.

Not by my argument, but by moral relativistic, out the Progressive butthole, 'if something can be compared to something else then everything's the same, so nothing really matters except when it's convenient to me' way of thinking, possibly.

The Westboro Church was a small church of under 40 members, largely made up of one family.

Al Jazeera polled its viewers in Arabic asking them "Do you support the organising victories of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)?”

81% of the 60,000 who took part did support ISIS.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/580 ... poll-finds

Other polls from throughout the Muslim world of 1 and 1/2 billion have given results of 20% to convincing majorities in support of things like Jihad, Sharia, or suicide attacks.

Biblical endorsement of the Westboro church's idea that deaths of American soldiers are justified by government's failure to rebuke homosexuality is tenuous if not non-existent.

Within Islamic doctrine Mohammed is repeatedly presented as someone who must be emulated. There is no atrocity ISIS has committed that is not Koranically endorsed in either word or deed by Mohammed. Many are specifically commanded within the Qu'ran.

No other Christian religious body endorses the activities of the Westboro Baptist church. Christians will publicly and vocally rebuke it. They will line the streets and form human walls to prevent the Westboroers from protesting local funerals.

There are Fatwas, and other endorsements of Shariac abuses, violent Jihad, and even terrorist atrocities from Imams, and polls offering approval of same from Muslims throughout the Islamic world.

Wahhabis, other broad-based movements like the Turkish Gulen movement, and organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood have organized a kind of fifth Column within the Western world designed to influence the culture towards ignoring the anti-human excesses and proselytizing towards the enemy ideology of Islam.

And one more time until you get it. The Phelps family have never been able to proselytize more than about 40 members most of them family members.

Is that enough Sesame Street? Are you starting to get why one of these things is not like the other?

[Thanos]

Ironically the odious public behaviour of the WBC probably did more to convince moderate Christians to side with things like legalizing gay marriage than anything the gay rights movement had done on their own.

[N_Fiddledog]

Thanos Thanos:

It's probably no simpler than the unspoken reality that two foreign countries in this world basically own the entire political system of the United States. The first one is clearly Israel

Bullshit.

[Thanos]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Thanos Thanos:

It's probably no simpler than the unspoken reality that two foreign countries in this world basically own the entire political system of the United States. The first one is clearly Israel

Bullshit.

Get bent. Any American politician that doesn't genuflect to Israel to the point where that country is literally worshipped is toast. They will have more money directed against them if they aren't 100% pro-Israel than they will have put against them by any other special interest lobby currently in existence. It isn't even enough anymore to publically and repeatedly say that they support Israel's right to exist and to defend itself. It's now a political requirement to literally prostrate themselves to Israel (and Likud) or they end up on the enemies list.

[sandorski]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

sandorski sandorski:

If the Westboro Baptist Church is part of Christianity, then obviously the Westboro Baptist Church is Christianity. By your argument.

The Westboro Baptists are Christians in much the same way the Wahhabists are Muslims.

The difference is that there's less than fifty members of the Westboro Baptist Church who are really just a PITA while there's at least five million acknowledged Wahhabists and another estimated 30 million Sunnis who are sympathetic to them (per Wiki).

The fifty or so Westboro people have never been attributed with even a single murder. The Wahhabists will likely kill more people today than there are members of the Westboro Church.

Yet you equate them as equally dangerous which is absolutely absurd.

Wasn't arguing which is worse, was arguing the logic.

[sandorski]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

sandorski sandorski:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Explain.

If the Westboro Baptist Church is part of Christianity, then obviously the Westboro Baptist Church is Christianity. By your argument.

Not by my argument, but by moral relativistic, out the Progressive butthole, 'if something can be compared to something else then everything's the same, so nothing really matters except when it's convenient to me' way of thinking, possibly.

The Westboro Church was a small church of under 40 members, largely made up of one family.

Al Jazeera polled its viewers in Arabic asking them "Do you support the organising victories of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)?”

81% of the 60,000 who took part did support ISIS.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/580 ... poll-finds

Other polls from throughout the Muslim world of 1 and 1/2 billion have given results of 20% to convincing majorities in support of things like Jihad, Sharia, or suicide attacks.

Biblical endorsement of the Westboro church's idea that deaths of American soldiers are justified by government's failure to rebuke homosexuality is tenuous if not non-existent.

Within Islamic doctrine Mohammed is repeatedly presented as someone who must be emulated. There is no atrocity ISIS has committed that is not Koranically endorsed in either word or deed by Mohammed. Many are specifically commanded within the Qu'ran.

No other Christian religious body endorses the activities of the Westboro Baptist church. Christians will publicly and vocally rebuke it. They will line the streets and form human walls to prevent the Westboroers from protesting local funerals.

There are Fatwas, and other endorsements of Shariac abuses, violent Jihad, and even terrorist atrocities from Imams, and polls offering approval of same from Muslims throughout the Islamic world.

Wahhabis, other broad-based movements like the Turkish Gulen movement, and organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood have organized a kind of fifth Column within the Western world designed to influence the culture towards ignoring the anti-human excesses and proselytizing towards the enemy ideology of Islam.

And one more time until you get it. The Phelps family have never been able to proselytize more than about 40 members most of them family members.

Is that enough Sesame Street? Are you starting to get why one of these things is not like the other?

Size difference is moot. It's the logic that is faulty. You seem perfectly willing to extrapolate any Muslim Group to the whole. Yet be offended when the same principle is applied to Christians.

[N_Fiddledog]

sandorski sandorski:

Size difference is moot.

And if that was the only point you might have one, but it wasn't and you don't. Nice try though.

[N_Fiddledog]

Thanos Thanos:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Thanos Thanos:

It's probably no simpler than the unspoken reality that two foreign countries in this world basically own the entire political system of the United States. The first one is clearly Israel

Bullshit.

Get bent. Any American politician that doesn't genuflect to Israel to the point where that country is literally worshipped is toast. They will have more money directed against them if they aren't 100% pro-Israel than they will have put against them by any other special interest lobby currently in existence. It isn't even enough anymore to publically and repeatedly say that they support Israel's right to exist and to defend itself. It's now a political requirement to literally prostrate themselves to Israel (and Likud) or they end up on the enemies list.

Rhetoric. Unsupportable huff n puff. Anti-semitism with a wink.

Show me examples of the current regime Kow-towing to Israel. Because I can give you lots of examples of the opposite. Obama treats Israel like his used boogers. He flicks them away. That's all they can expect, and yet still they survive...seemingly to his annoyance.

That's rhetoric in response to rhetoric. Wanna see some facts? Give me some.

[N_Fiddledog]

Oh but Thanos...



I want to show you something. I don't mean it to be antagonistic. I saw it and I thought that's kind of cool, and it reminded me of you. He might not think the same as you, but he presents his case a bit like you do. I think you'll like it, even if he is going after the Young Turks who might be one of yours, I don't know.

It's almost relevant here though, and I wanted a chance to show you. Check it out. It will give you smiles.

[BartSimpson]

sandorski sandorski:

Wasn't arguing which is worse, was arguing the logic.

You arguing logic is akin to Amy Winehouse arguing sobriety.

[sandorski]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

sandorski sandorski:

Wasn't arguing which is worse, was arguing the logic.

You arguing logic is akin to Amy Winehouse arguing sobriety.

Ahhh