[martin14]

CountLothian CountLothian:

Trudeau's Liberals are not entry level anything, but proven.

Thanos Thanos:

With a bunch of Liberal party nonsense propaganda like that I remember know why you had so many other CKA'ers pissed off at you the last time you came through here.

He's just here for the election.

rickc rickc:

LOL! Damn it! My decrepit old laptop was failing me earlier by several keys not working. Since my kid is on vacation, I thought i would borrow her Macbook air. Now thanks to you I blew a few ounces of bourbon through my nose all over her Macbook. I hope there is no permeant damage. I doubt that the warranty will cover damage due to bourbon saturation.

Daddy, why does my laptop smell like Uncle Billy Bob ?

[Winnipegger]

Thanos likes to talk about Liberal party nonsense. Let's stop and look at the big picture. Most of what is currently called "terrorism" is actually irregular warfare. It's a technique used in the Middle East for thousands of years. It allows a small, poorly equipped force to effectively combat a large, well equipped force. You can't defend against it with a line of solders shoulder-to-shoulder with swords, spears, muskets, carbines, or tanks. That's the point. The Middle East was using irregular warfare against each other for thousands of years when Jesus was borne. Israelis found a form of irregular warfare that worked against Roman troops. Israelis dug underground bunkers, hidden in the woods. (There were more woods back then.) Israeli soldiers trained in marshal arts would ambush Roman soldiers, cut them down. This was done at random, without warning. They found Roman solders were effective in brigade units, but not individually. More recently, Afghan people were resentful of any foreign conqueror. They would not accept American rule any more than Soviets. Osama bin Laden demanded all foreigners out. He used irregular warfare against anyone who fought against him. He started with a truck bombing of an American military compound in Beirut. American commandos attempted to assassinate him. He responded by bombing American embassies. America responded with cruise missiles. He responded with an attack on the USS Cole. An attack on a combat ship can't be called anything but combat. More counter attacks. So Al Quaeda escalated to attack American soil; first a truck bombing of the World Trade Center, the financial heart of his opponent. Then 9/11. It's combat, not terrorism. And demands of Osama bin Laden and his followers were simple: all foreigners out of their country, stop killing their leaders, and stop trying to install puppet leaders.

Stop and think. Why are we messing in that part of the world? Why do we get involved? We only make ourselves a target.

First there was the Shaw of Iraq. Americans overthrew him because he wouldn't obey orders. They put in place a young military leader they thought they could control: Saddam Hussein. He stopped taking orders, so they overthrew him. America organized tribes in Afghanistan to work together, gave them Marine training, and modern weapons to defeat Soviets. They created the Mujahideen thinking it was America's puppet. But the tribes never were a single cohesive force, they just temporarily worked together to overthrow a common enemy: Soviets. Arabs have thousands of years of temporarily working together against a common enemy, knowing full well that once the common enemy is gone, their ally will most likely be their next opponent. The goal of Afghan people was to through out any and all foreign overlords, so when America tried to treat them as its puppet, they saw their former ally as their next opponent. From their perspective, this is the same as always. One tribe that was part of the Mujahideen separated and fought to rule their own country: this was the Taliban. Osama bin Laden was one of the Mujahideen leaders, trained in warfare. He wanted all foreigners out. The Taliban didn't see them as brothers, just another temporary ally short-term gain. It wouldn't have been easy to pit them against each other. But apparently America didn't understand this. After 9/11, the Taliban offered to hand over Osama bin Laden; they just wanted proof. Any NATO country would want proof before deporting someone for a capital offence; this was the Taliban demanding respect. That's all. But George W. declared war against the Taliban and Iraq.

But the people of the Arab world will not accept any foreigner. They won't accept any government backed by foreigners. Iraqi people want out any government backed by America or NATO. So another even more ruthless organization promised to kick foreigners out: ISIS. They started by fighting in Syria against Assad; who could blame them? Then they expanded into Iraq, because they could. They wouldn't be strong if they didn't have support of citizens who live there. They need recruits. Each time America uses force in the Arab world, each enemy is replaced by an even worse one. Now we have ISIS.

What's happening over there is horrible. But as long as locals are willing to support whatever extreme organization is effective at kicking out foreigners, even ISIS, then military force will never win.

I propose containment. Let the locals who support ISIS suffer the consequences of ISIS rule. One of two things will happen: either locals will see no other enemy than ISIS, so start fighting against them instead of supporting them. Or ISIS will transform to behave themselves.

In Europe during the Dark Ages, a bunch of thugs ruled. There wasn't anyone to oppose them. They were completely illiterate, bullied and stole, worse than ISIS. The Church chose to try to instill ethics into these thugs; since they're the rulers, teach them how to behave themselves. The Church created Chivalry and taught it to those thugs. The thugs became monarchs. They're the kings and queens of Europe. European thugs leaned to behave themselves, perhaps ISIS can too. Well see. If they can't then locals will take them out as soon as we stop providing a common enemy.

Or you can continue to act like a conquering dictator. In which case the Arab people will fight against us to the last man. Don't expect our current temporary allies to replace our current opponents. I said to the last breathing human in the Middle East. And if it comes to that, don't expect them to go quietly. They will take as many of us with them as they can.

Meanwhile, there's a real problem in Ukraine. Why are we messing with the Middle East when there's a real problem in Europe?

[Thanos]

Liberal party nonsense got injected into the discussion so it's going to be discussed. JT seriously suggested a few weeks back to negotiate and make merry with ISIS. As such he shouldn't be listened to.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

CountLothian CountLothian:

Well I like the thought that our government SHOULD be making sure we are as safe as possible.

You would think if they were as on top of things as much as they want us to think , they would never allowed a guy to run in and shoot up Parliament Hill. How in the hell did that happen if they were so knowledgable about the state of terrorism.

Zero preparation,and knowledge of the situation. Not unlike ignoring we have practically no manufacturing sector and they now are trying to mimic Liberal economics when we had manufacturing and wanted an edge with a lower dollar. Which is useless now. Not to mention a ruinous tactic.

They are inept ,and are more concerned with how the public VIEWS their abilities so they skew the moment with fear tactics.

They do this by spending hundreds of millions of dollars on propaganda action plan ads. with no action or plan.

This government is so inept in so many ways and on so many levels . It is obvious they have governed with a learn as they go paradigm.

Which is known to them ,and which is why they have this NEED to say Liberals are entry level. Why do Canadians buy this whilst forgetting Liberal economic wins of the past.
Trudeau's Liberals are not entry level anything, but proven.

You're as bad as the Conservative attack ads. They never said the Liberals were entry level, just Justin.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

CountLothian CountLothian:

Well I like the thought that our government SHOULD be making sure we are as safe as possible.

You would think if they were as on top of things as much as they want us to think , they would never allowed a guy to run in and shoot up Parliament Hill. How in the hell did that happen if they were so knowledgable about the state of terrorism.

Zero preparation,and knowledge of the situation. Not unlike ignoring we have practically no manufacturing sector and they now are trying to mimic Liberal economics when we had manufacturing and wanted an edge with a lower dollar. Which is useless now. Not to mention a ruinous tactic.

They are inept ,and are more concerned with how the public VIEWS their abilities so they skew the moment with fear tactics.

They do this by spending hundreds of millions of dollars on propaganda action plan ads. with no action or plan.

This government is so inept in so many ways and on so many levels . It is obvious they have governed with a learn as they go paradigm.

Which is known to them ,and which is why they have this NEED to say Liberals are entry level. Why do Canadians buy this whilst forgetting Liberal economic wins of the past.
Trudeau's Liberals are not entry level anything, but proven.

Trudeau kicked out two party members based solely on a single accusation and with no investigation or proof, just the accuser's word.

Gotta wonder if that's going to be how the judicial system operates under a Trudeau govt, a single, simple accusation means you're guilty.

[BeaverFever]

I'll say it again:

$1:

If you have to order the bureaucracy to 'dig up' a certain number of terrorism stories every week ("ISIL or whatever" the memo says) then you don't really have anything to to tell us and you're just inventing stories for fearmongering purposes.

Imagine if Obama was caught sending out a memo ordering the bureaucracy to generate 3 stories per week on " global warming or whatever" or "income inequality or whatever". The Right would be all over it!!

If you have a terror warning to tell us about, then tell us. If you have to ask your employees to come with 3 stories per week then you have nothing to tell us.

As for Martin's regurgitated copy and paste list, as I said nutters gonna nut. Yes Islamic extremism is a real thing and yes random lunatics will commit jihad-inspired motivated attacks that kill one person here or two people there (which is what most of your list is.

You cowardly chicken shits can hide under your bed with your penis inverted if you want, I'm a rational person who doesn't live in fear.

Just today we have another lunatic who shot up a movie theatre in the Louisiana, which is a far more common occurrence and if you want to direct your fear towards something, that would be a more effective use of your time.

[andyt]

But he didn't shout allahu akbar as he was killing people, so it's really no big deal. Just another nutter, nothing to see here, move along.

[CountLothian]

Thanos Thanos:

With a bunch of Liberal party nonsense propaganda like that I remember know why you had so many other CKA'ers pissed off at you the last time you came through here.

Well if it pisses you off it touches a nerve.

It cannot touch a nerve if it doesn't ring true.

The hoops the PC party supporters loyal to a brand logo are going through is sad. Some would say pathetic, but for me it is just sad.

The reform party, well actually Harper, stole the PC logo with the aid of a ball less wonder Peter Mackay.
They promised him leadership if he would sign it away.

All real PC genius fled the ship and left these amateurs alone in a wilderness . The fact their bills are shot down by the Supreme Court for lacking any legal substance or that so much of what they try to do is anti Charter of Rights , shows their amateur status.

Truly Great Canadian Parties have a legacy to fall back on for advice. Harper is too much a lone wolf leader to seek advice from anyone other than spin doctors. Actually The Old Guard PC Party has abandoned him for a reason, just like his own people .

I liken it to "Hockey"!!! More aptly the Hallowed Halls of the Montreal Canadians. That team's legacy never leaves the building until their Greats die.

The Reform Party Alliance in Parliament , excuse me again, Harperism just wasn't ready and they do not have the ability to learn. they have proven this.

There is nothing left of the PC Party except a logo.

Ask Mulroney or Joe Clark

[CountLothian]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

You're as bad as the Conservative attack ads. They never said the Liberals were entry level, just Justin.

Actually semantically speaking you are right.

Harper's paradigm sees only a leader and no team , hence the attack ad style.

They would be shooting themselves in the foot if they attacked the genius left to us from previous Liberal Parties.

These amateurs led by Harperism have done nothing to advance Canada on any level.

Economically they are so inept they blame it all on foreign countries.

I always thought we were above that sort of excuse.

[Thanos]

If all you're here for is to do flack work for the Liberals then your new stay here will end as unpleasantly as your first go-round did.

[CountLothian]

Thanos Thanos:

If all you're here for is to do flack work for the Liberals then your new stay here will end as unpleasantly as your first go-round did.

Actually I left do my use of the "N" word lashed to another word beginning with H and ending in E.

I over reacted to the sensibilities of a mod.

It took a year but I admitted to myself I could have used another set of words and was lacking .

It was childish of me.

Just so you know I voted once for Harper, have voted PC in the past as well , but those days are lost.

I have admired the genius of both parties, Liberal and the now extinct PC.

Have voted in the past for Liberal and will so this time out.

Only a moron holds onto a political logo and ignores their ever changing policy and legacy.

[BeaverFever]

$1:

word beginning with H and ending in E.

I'm stumped.

[2Cdo]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

$1:

word beginning with H and ending in E.

I'm stumped.

Hoe?

[CountLothian]

house

[PublicAnimalNo9]

CountLothian CountLothian:

house

Roadhouse