[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

See my post in the other sex ed thread. This new curriculum is no different than what most other provinces already introduced years ago.

So I did that, and gave the other one that compares what was in Ontario sex ed in 1998 to what is in there now a quick browse as well.

Basically they're two very long lists of open-ended terms to categories which could mean many things. They are compared to each other.

I'll give you an example.

Global claims Saskatchewan Grade oners are learning about "Sexual identity". That seems to compare pretty good to the Ontario government's claim in your other list that says sexual identity will not be taught in Ontario's new sex ed plan until grade three.

So what's the big deal, right?

Well, let's consider the possibility that in Saskatchewan the teachers are saying "There are little boys and little girls" to their grade oners.

A claim by a guy referred to as "a Christian crusader" suggests this about the new Ontario Super-sex plan:

$1:

“Our little children should not be subjected to complex six gender experimental teaching,” McVety said in a statement. “Ontario’s curriculum teaches gender identity 35 times from Grade 1 to 8, as ‘male, female, two-spirited, transgender, transsexual, intersex.’

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/02/23/on ... m-revealed

So I can believe you're gigantic lists of comparisons of terms which give no real idea what they actual mean, or I can believe the Christian crusader's gory details, or I can believe they're both bullshit and one doesn't know what to believe.

Hmmm...

Now it's true I did only give your lists a quick browse. I can examine them in detail if you like, but to be fair you should watch this two hour video below from a Doctor who specializes in this issue. She doesn't like Ben and Kathy's new super-duper, Progressive sex agenda.

[OnTheIce]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

The ones who don't want her and Ben Levin's version of sexual morality rammed down their throats (an admittedly unfortunate turn of phrase.)

It's not sexual "morality" it's sexual REALITY.

Keeping kids away from the class won't mean transgender or gay people will disappear and your children will never encounter them.

Keeping your children away from the topic won't make them desiccate to be any less gay or transgender.

[N_Fiddledog]

This one's from a pro-life site.

Yeah I know...but if we're going to damn these guys, shouldn't we at least hear what they're saying. If not who's really the narrow-minded bigot? I mean, how silly do you look feeling superior to something when you don't actually know what it is?

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Why Kathleen Wynne’s claim that parents can ‘opt out’ of sex-ed is an utter farce

TORONTO, May 1, 2015 (LifeSiteNews.com) -- Parents objecting to the Ontario government’s new, pansexual sex education curriculum should not be reassured by Premier Kathleen Wynne’s promise they can always remove their children when offensive lessons are taught, says parental rights advocate Lou Iacobelli.

Just look at the Tourloukis case, says Iacobelli, whose Parental Rights in Education Defence Fund is underwriting Hamilton parent Steve Tourloukis’ court action against that city’s school board. In late 2012 Tourloukis sued to get the board to notify him whenever homosexuality came up so he could prevent his children being indoctrinated with anti-Christian teachings. The suit goes unresolved.

“Three years later and they are still spending taxpayers’ money opposing this parent,” Iacobelli told LifeSiteNews. “If Wynne meant what she said about the parents’ right to opt their children out, they should be calling up Steve and apologizing for the cost, the suffering and the criticism they’ve caused.”

[snip]

Tourloukis isn’t the only parent to run afoul of “equity and inclusion.” The Toronto school board’s guidelines for incorporating it, called “Challenging Homophobia and Heterosexism,” clearly tells teachers, “If a parent asks for his or her child to be exempted for any discussions of LGBTQ family issues as a religious accommodation, this request cannot be made because it violates the Human Rights Policy.” Nor can teachers refuse to teach lessons they object to for religious reasons.

“If the government really believed in equity and inclusion for everyone,” said Iacobelli, “then Premier Wynne wouldn’t have shut down those four or five parents who met with her at Queen’s Park yesterday. She was adamant she wouldn’t change the curriculum. Where is the tolerance?”

Nobody would doubt Tourloukis’ thesis that homosexuality is being promoted in Ontario’s public schools who sat in on Pam Strong’s workshop for teachers at the Canadian Centre for Gender and Sexual Diversity’s conference in early April. Strong promotes same-sex “marriage” to students beginning in junior kindergarten. She described using her own homosexuality to reinforce a fairy tale about two princes getting married. When a brave pupil protested that this was just a story, she said, “It happens in real life too. I am married to a woman. I am gay. And I am in love with my wife.” In other words, park your Christian heterosexism at the Church door. Don’t bring it to school.

Moreover, the discussion of controversial sexual topics extends even into math class. At the same conference, activist-teacher Alicia Gunn explained how using math to promote the homosexual agenda in elementary classes helps her to “hide” it from parents.

“I find if you teach all the ‘isms,’ it kind of backs you. If I teach all the isms, and sometimes I can hide it a little bit in the math, and what I mean is I can say, ‘I’m just teaching your kid about division. I’m so sorry that you, you know, feel that way,” she said, to laughter from the other educators in the room.

Other evidence came from Toronto homosexual activist S. Bear Bergman in her March article in the Huffington Post titled, “I Have Come to Indoctrinate Your Children Into My LGBTQ Agenda (And I'm Not a Bit Sorry).” Bergman, a woman who now prefers to be regarded as male and publishes school materials normalizing minority sexual behavior, wrote about her decades of working with children in schools. “I am here to tell you: All that time I said I wasn't indoctrinating anyone with my beliefs about gay and lesbian and bi and trans and queer people? That was a lie.”

Sanda Gwynne, a Pickering, Ontario parent, told LifeSiteNews that some teachers are jumping the gun and teaching elements of the new curriculum already—in grade one. “A friend told me her son came home after a lesson on gender fluidity afraid he was going to turn into a girl. This tells me two things. He and his classmates couldn’t comprehend the lesson and the lesson shouldn’t have been taught to that age group.”

Tolerance and equity have always been the cover story, in other words. As some parents in Ontario are finally realizing, the real goal is the indoctrination of their children into a new morality.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/wh ... n-utter-fa

[BeaverFever]

$1:

you should watch this two hour video

Or I could just start up a weed-whacker and hold it to my genitals for two hours for something less painful and more enlightening

[N_Fiddledog]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

It's not sexual "morality" it's sexual REALITY.

Keeping kids away from the class won't mean transgender or gay people will disappear and your children will never encounter them.

Keeping your children away from the topic won't make them desiccate to be any less gay or transgender.

Here's a paragraph from the article above.

"Sanda Gwynne, a Pickering, Ontario parent, told LifeSiteNews that some teachers are jumping the gun and teaching elements of the new curriculum already—in grade one. “A friend told me her son came home after a lesson on gender fluidity afraid he was going to turn into a girl. This tells me two things. He and his classmates couldn’t comprehend the lesson and the lesson shouldn’t have been taught to that age group.” "

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

$1:

you should watch this two hour video

Or I could just start up a weed-whacker and hold it to my genitals for two hours for something less painful and more enlightening

I know, right? That's the way I felt when you demanded I look up your old post where you had copied a few pages of terms that make use of the Progressive technique of "terms mean whatever I want them to mean at any given time", and try to make sense of them.

Yechhhh...

[OnTheIce]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Here's a paragraph from the article above.

"Sanda Gwynne, a Pickering, Ontario parent, told LifeSiteNews that some teachers are jumping the gun and teaching elements of the new curriculum already—in grade one. “A friend told me her son came home after a lesson on gender fluidity afraid he was going to turn into a girl. This tells me two things. He and his classmates couldn’t comprehend the lesson and the lesson shouldn’t have been taught to that age group.” "

I call bullshit.

There's been one day of school in Pickering, I live in the area. It was an early day. Kids out at 2:15pm.

My guess is that Sanda Gwynne is like you, a religious nut-job, who's making up stories because she doesn't agree with it.

[OnTheIce]

I read the article in detail.

A pro-life, nutjob web site. No credibility.

Still bullshit.

[OnTheIce]

https://www.youtube.com/user/sandagwynne/videos

[BartSimpson]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

It's not sexual "morality" it's sexual REALITY.

You can also teach six year old kids the reality of serial murdering child rapists at Christmas time.

Or you can let them have a childhood.

[BeaverFever]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Here's a paragraph from the article above.

"Sanda Gwynne, a Pickering, Ontario parent, told LifeSiteNews that some teachers are jumping the gun and teaching elements of the new curriculum already—in grade one. “A friend told me her son came home after a lesson on gender fluidity afraid he was going to turn into a girl. This tells me two things. He and his classmates couldn’t comprehend the lesson and the lesson shouldn’t have been taught to that age group.” "

I call bullshit.

There's been one day of school in Pickering, I live in the area. It was an early day. Kids out at 2:15pm.

My guess is that Sanda Gwynne is like you, a religious nut-job, who's making up stories because she doesn't agree with it.

A BLOG told you that a woman told them that a friend told her....

Is that what passes for nut job news these days?

[sandorski]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

It's not sexual "morality" it's sexual REALITY.

You can also teach six year old kids the reality of serial murdering child rapists at Christmas time.

Or you can let them have a childhood.

Millions teach their kids about a Homicidal Maniac every Sunday.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

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ou know how they've been saying that if Harper/the CPC had just let the Duffy matter resolve itself instead of trying to bullshit everyone it probably would have blown over and been no big deal?

If this curriculum is as great as you suggest, then why lie about the parental approval rating? I'd hardly call 4000 parents "overwhelming support", let alone half that number.
This is what is happening in politics on both sides of the spectrum. The need/desire to lie has become so ingrained in politicians that they lie when there's absolutely no reason to.

Let me break my reply down in pieces

1) Selling or even overselling an idea by stating an exaggerated OPINION (e.g. describing something as "amazing" or "overwhelming" when others may think it's only so-so or mediocre) is not the same thing as telling an outright lie. At best, you can claim that Wynne oversold the concept, whereas Harper's coverup is the latter.

Stating something you know damn well isn't a fact isn't "overselling something", it's called lying. We're not talking about her using fucking adjectives to describe the curriculum. She lied about the parental approval rating. That's not overselling, that's outright lying. What a surprise you refuse to distinguish the difference when some lefty lies though.
There's no point even responding to the rest of your post if you can't understand this basic concept.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

sandorski sandorski:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

It's not sexual "morality" it's sexual REALITY.

You can also teach six year old kids the reality of serial murdering child rapists at Christmas time.

Or you can let them have a childhood.

Millions teach their kids about a Homicidal Maniac every Sunday.

Mohammed?

[ShepherdsDog]

Funny how atheists try and place so much blame on something they claim is merely the figment of people's imaginations.