[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

I have no problem taking in refugees, but would like to see the nutbar contingent kept to a minimum.

Like I said a while ago; Jihadis are usually single men, or widowed women with no children. Minimize those demographics, and minimize the risk.

Plus, have the riskiest ones live on military bases until their checks are complete. Reduce the risk even further.

1st point, I don't think they are doing that, want to keep families together.

Well, that's pretty much what I said isn't it? To minimize the possibility of jihadis, let in families first! Single men, later. Or men waiting to bring families over, as that what seems to be migrating to Europe.

andyt andyt:

Second, even on a military base in Canada, the charter kicks in and we won't be able to send them back, nor will the court allow us to keep them in prison.

There is nothing in the charter about keeping violent refugees, or refugees that misrepresent themselves. That pretty much means instant deportation, according to immigration rules.

[andyt]

Not if the refugees are in danger in the country where they are deported to - ie Syria. We've seen this over and over where somebody is denied refugee status, then uses the charter to not be sent back to whatever shit hole they came from. And if we try to keep them in jail, the charter lets them out.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

Not if the refugees are in danger in the country where they are deported to - ie Syria. We've seen this over and over where somebody is denied refugee status, then uses the charter to not be sent back to whatever shit hole they came from. And if we try to keep them in jail, the charter lets them out.

That's incorrect. We've been trying to let this guy go back where he came from, but are having no luck. The charter isn't letting him out. And Immigration rules means he'll be deported, as soon as we can find out who he is.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canad ... in-freedom

[andyt]

Many more cases than that one. where they are denied status but can't be sent back because they would be in danger. And at some point they are also released from jail, to disappear in the society.

just one of many: http://globalnews.ca/news/1432890/iraqi ... im-denied/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.3300755

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

Many more cases than that one. where they are denied status but can't be sent back because they would be in danger. And at some point they are also released from jail, to disappear in the society.

just one of many: http://globalnews.ca/news/1432890/iraqi ... im-denied/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.3300755

I don't see where the charter has let those people out, only to 'disappear in society'.

[andyt]

Really? You never follow the news. It's a pretty common story that somebody who was being detained had to be released by order of the court. Whether they disappear or not is another matter. They certainly could, just as many of the various boat people never showed up for their refugee hearings. Even if the person doesn't disappear, do we really want somebody who's been denied refugee status because of terrorism or criminality just living among us?

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/09/08/cb ... -claimants

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

Really? You never follow the news. It's a pretty common story that somebody who was being detained had to be released by order of the court. Whether they disappear or not is another matter. They certainly could, just as many of the various boat people never showed up for their refugee hearings. Even if the person doesn't disappear, do we really want somebody who's been denied refugee status because of terrorism or criminality just living among us?

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/09/08/cb ... -claimants

None of your stories says that any of those people were convicted of terrorism or related charges. Of course I have concerns if people are ordered deported and then disappear, but I also consider the odds of meeting a refugee who is ordered deported because of terrorism related charges but chooses to go underground, to be so incredible minimal that I see no reason not to help all the other people who need our help.

Really, what are the odds that one of these 25,000 people will be a member of ISIS that somehow manages to find their way out of detention or whatever refugee camps are set up and doesn't get the first ride back home - and then somehow manages to do me harm? Insignificant! Not even worth worrying about. I'd be more concerned about getting listeria from the celery in my mirepoix.

Life's too short to worry about insignificant risks.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Life's too short to worry about insignificant risks.

Life is also too short to take needless risks like taking in 25,000 people (and eventually their families, too) when most of those people are Palestinians who really wouldn't mind taking an opportunity to kill you.

[BRAH]

It worked out for Germany........................ oh wait nevermind.

[desertdude]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Life's too short to worry about insignificant risks.

Life is also too short to take needless risks like taking in 25,000 people (and eventually their families, too) when most of those people are Palestinians who really wouldn't mind taking an opportunity to kill you.

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Unlike you Bart who would like to kill every Muslim and Palestinian in the world ( which you have said a million times over so don't even try to back peddle or dodge )Not every Muslim regardless of how disgusting you are doesn't want to kill you. That's just a diseased condition you have made up in that fanstasy land in your head called Barts world.

Maybe one day you'll be able to live a normal life like Doc C is living. Try it for a change, you might actually enjoy living with humanity instead of in your made up world. Where everybody from the govt to the poor kid half way across the globe is coming to get ya.

[Thanos]

Thanks to the way Canadian liberals feel about endless second chances for killers odds are much higher now that they were under the previous government that we'll let exactly the wrong kind in.

[uwish]

well said desertdude, but if all we get is one sided media exerts from a "religion of peace" that has the entire suicide bombing community well entrenched within it I do unfortunately understand Bart's attitude.

One thing that is not in dispute, muslim religion is not a religion of peace, it is one the more violent plagiarisms of the three semi-cults. So while I do not think all muslim's are bad people I will take a line from one of my favorite physicist Steve Weinberg,

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion"

[Lemmy]

Thanos Thanos:

Thanks to the way Canadian liberals feel about endless second chances for killers odds are much higher now that they were under the previous government that we'll let exactly the wrong kind in.

You're perpetuating myth.

[BartSimpson]

desertdude desertdude:

Unlike you Bart who would like to kill every Muslim and Palestinian in the world ( which you have said a million times over so don't even try to back peddle or dodge )Not every Muslim regardless of how disgusting you are doesn't want to kill you. That's just a diseased condition you have made up in that fanstasy land in your head called Barts world.

Maybe one day you'll be able to live a normal life like Doc C is living. Try it for a change, you might actually enjoy living with humanity instead of in your made up world. Where everybody from the govt to the poor kid half way across the globe is coming to get ya.

Taqqiya.

And I don't want to kill every Muslim in the world. But I could probably manage a couple hundred a day especially if I could borrow one of your handy Olympic-size swimming pools.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Oh noes! The Syrian invasion of .000794% of our population has begun! And it will get as bad as .00735% of our population!

What an incredible invasion force landing on our shores! Run for the hills!






Do I need the sarcasm tag?

No. But you do need an education.

Not to worry. I'm here to help.

So the guy who liked to campaign in a radical Montreal Mosque is going to bring in 25,000 of his favored immigrants.

So what, right?

First of all, this is only the immediate expectation. The prospect of more after that is open ended. What he promised us to expect before Christmas is only the first wave.

Second these are not the legitimate victims of war the Harper government was going to take time to select. These are the UN certified type which I suggest we will find differ very little from the sort we see ravaging in hordes through Europe.

And third, here's something from 2011 before the current hordes of Hijra even began to form.

$1:

The number of Muslims in Canada is predicted to triple over the next 20 years, sparking a debate among moderate Muslim-Canadians about whether the country is ready to deal with the community’s more extremist members.

The current number of Muslims — 940,000 — comprises 2.8% of the Canadian population. A recent report from the Washington-based Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life said they will increase both in number and proportion of the country — 2.7 million, or 6.6% of the Canadian population, by 2030.

http://news.nationalpost.com/holy-post/ ... ears-study

But now let's talk theory. There's one that I subscribe to. It suggests that if you look at 1400 years of history and current phenomena happening throughout the world you will notice that as the Muslim demographic increases specific sorts of problems happen at specific percentiles and this does not ultimately end well for the host.

The problems begin at around 3% and gets more blatant and outrageous when the Islamic immigration Jihad reaches around 5% of the host post population. Many European countries are now finding this out. We're closing in on 5%.

So yeah, 25,000 quick deliveries to begin a Hijra from Jihadis or Us bothers me. Look to Europe. That's going to be Canada.