[BeaverFever]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

Time to build that wall, to keep out that pool of 300 million unvaccinated.

I often wonder at the liberal mind that rants and raves about 'big pharma' and how they poison people but if big pharma is making billions on risky vaccines with needless toxins in them you're all standing up for Wall Street as if you had personal investments in these firms.

I often wonder at the far-right mind that rants and raves about vaccines and how they poison people but if big polluters and big agriculture are making billions on risky chemicals with needless toxins in our air, water and food, you're all standing up for Wall Street as if you had personal investments in these firms.

So you're an anti-vaxxer now?

FYI - most of the vaccinations were not invented by "big pharma", are not making them "billions", and are not "risky.

[andyt]

Lemmy Lemmy:

andyt andyt:

Time to build that wall, to keep out that pool of 300 million unvaccinated.

If I'm inoculated against something, why would I care if there are unvaccinated? It oughtn't matter to those vaccinated if others aren't. I could never understand why we suspend unvaccinated kids from going to school. They're not a threat to anyone but themselves, no?

You should look into that. Vaccines aren't perfect, they don't confer perfect protection. You want most people vaccinated to "confer" herd immunity, so there is no pool of potential infection. It's why you get measels outbreaks in the Fraser Valley because the Jaysus people don't want to vaccinate. Many diseases have been eradicated because of vaccination. Polio is making its way back because they don't vaccinate properly in Pakistan. Wouldn't it be nice if it was something we didn't have to worry about. I went to a hospital some years ago and there were people there lying in iron lungs.
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BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Next time you go to get a vaccination or a flu shot (same thing, I know) ask for the mercury free version.

You'll likely get it without question these days.

Like many other falsehoods and conspiracies you perpetuate around here, this one's been explained to you before. I remember it, so surely you must.[/quote]

[DrCaleb]

Lemmy Lemmy:

I could never understand why we suspend unvaccinated kids from going to school. They're not a threat to anyone but themselves, no?

No. They may get the flu or whatever, but then the risk spreading it to those who are not immune. Children under 6 months can't have certain vaccinations. If their sibling comes home with whooping cough, they will be at risk.

It's important to have as many immunized as possible, so 'herd immunity' protects those who can't be vaccinated. We saw why last year at the Disney Parks. Many kids who were not immunized spread diseases all around North America and Europe.

[DrCaleb]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I often wonder at the far-right mind that rants and raves about vaccines and how they poison people but if big polluters and big agriculture are making billions on risky chemicals with needless toxins in our air, water and food, you're all standing up for Wall Street as if you had personal investments in these firms.

There is his stuff now, it's made of two deadly chemicals! Sodium, it's a toxic metal and will burn you if you touch it. And Chlorine. It's a deadly gas that was used in World War 1 to kill soldiers in the trenches. If you breathe it, it will turn your lungs to liquid and you drown in your own fluids!

And they put this stuff all over food! French fries are just coated in the stuff!

[andyt]

I used to put contact lenses soaked in solutions that contained thimerosal. Guess my eyes are going to fall out now

[Lemmy]

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[andyt]

Civic duty. Sounds like communism.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

I used to put contact lenses soaked in solutions that contained thimerosal. Guess my eyes are going to fall out now

I'm surprised you don't suffer from nerve tremors and rashes. Why would they put that poison in eye solution?

[andyt]

Well, there's the mental confusion. And the shaking's a bitch too. They put that stuff in to prevent contamination. Seems I just heard about somebody losing their vision because of poor contact cleanliness. Those bugs can eat your eyes right up.

[BeaverFever]

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If I'm inoculated against something, why would I care if there are unvaccinated? It oughtn't matter to those vaccinated if others aren't. I could never understand why we suspend unvaccinated kids from going to school. They're not a threat to anyone but themselves, no?

No, as a sentient human being, you should still be concerned about some disease ripping through the population killing large numbers of people. Even if you don't care about that, think of the economic havoc and strain on public resources that a disease epidemic can cause.

And also remember that some people, namely young children, the elderly, and those with certain health conditions cannot be fully vaccinated against certain diseases. There are also risks to pregnant women and the health and development of the unborn fetus. These vulnerable people primarily rely on "herd immunity", which is:

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"indirect protection from infectious disease that occurs when a large percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, thereby providing a measure of protection for individuals who are not immune.[1][2] In a population in which a large number of individuals are immune, chains of infection are likely to be disrupted, which stops or slows the spread of disease.[3] The greater the proportion of individuals in a community who are immune, the smaller the probability that those who are not immune will come into contact with an infectious individual.[1]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

[BRAH]

A couple of years when the H1N1 vaccine was released there were side effects being reported (Fake News), one woman walked backwards, people couldn't eat fish etc.

[DrCaleb]

BRAH BRAH:

A couple of years when the H1N1 vaccine was released there were side effects being reported (Fake News), one woman walked backwards, people couldn't eat fish etc.

Regardless of the side effects vaccines can have, the consequences of not getting the vaccine are generally worse.

[BRAH]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BRAH BRAH:

A couple of years when the H1N1 vaccine was released there were side effects being reported (Fake News), one woman walked backwards, people couldn't eat fish etc.

Regardless of the side effects vaccines can have, the consequences of not getting the vaccine are generally worse.

That's true, adults have a choice whether to get a vaccine or not but when it comes to children schools it's a given. If people want their children to attend public school their child needs a vaccine if they don't enjoy home schooling because their decision has no right putting everyone else's children at risk.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

I used to put contact lenses soaked in solutions that contained thimerosal. Guess my eyes are going to fall out now

They won't fall out but you might not be able to see very clearly.

Here's the documented side effects for thimerosol in eye solutions:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/711467_5

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Human Studies

Thimerosal has demonstrated in a concentration-dependent manner on human dendritic cells, inhibition of lipopolysaccharide (LPS)-induced proinflammatory cytokines including TNFα, IL-6, and IL-12p70 while having no effect on IL-10. These thimerosal-exposed dendritic cells induced increased TH2 (IL-5 and IL-13) and decreased TH1 (IFNγ) cytokine secretion from the T cells in the absence of additional thimerosal added to the coculture.[17] In addition, there is a potential impact of thimerosal on limbal stem cells as documented in a recent case report.[18]

Tosti and Tosti[3] provides a case report of 36 patients with follicular allergic contact conjunctivitis induced by thimerosal. All of these patients report using eye drops containing thimerosal. Furthermore, 13 patients were soft contact lens wearers who became sensitized to their contact lens solution containing thimerosal. In the majority of these cases, the eyelids were spared. But in five patients, they also developed an allergic contact dermatitis of the eyelids. All of the 36 patients had a positive patch test reaction to thimerosal.

Thimerosol exposure on the cornea can induce limbal stem cell deficiency in corneal tissues with the side effects looking like this:

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If the documented risks associated with thimerosol in eye solutions are laughable to you then please continue to use such eye solutions. Myself, I avoid the product wherever possible because if I can avoid an unnecessary risk I avoid it.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Regardless of the side effects vaccines can have, the consequences of not getting the vaccine are generally worse.

Depends. People with acute latex sensitivity (who are often pro-vaccination health care workers) can die from injections of vaccines with latex in them.

Death being a side effect that would be worse than the flu.

Myself, I do not have a latex sensitivity so latex in a vaccine or other medication is not a concern for me.