[Mustang1]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Funny, all I hear are shootings, stabbings, gangs, dugs and now a huge transit strike. Let's add native rebelion and a few other things and I'd imagine that you're premier will be begging to Ottawa again.. when he gets back from China.

If the Libs were the party of favor for Toronto, you'd expect the streets to be paved with gold, instead of shit & blood.

Funny, but how's that entirely the responsibility of the Provincial Liberals? Natives are a provincial responsibility? Whoops. Mistake #1. And how exactly does the Transit strike represent a McGuinty issue? And you may want to look at some crime data and tell me if Toronto is the most crime-ridden center.


I'd love to hear your expert analysis on that one. Maybe you'll "hear" something and get back to us.

[ridenrain]

I didn't say that the natives were the responcibility of the province. It's just the province, and it's police, who have to deal with it. I'm just saying that the Ontario isn't really doing all that well after so many Federal Liberal majorities.

But, hey.. maybe you're premier will fnd some good, high paying union jobs in China.

[Mustang1]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Just saying that the Ontario isn't really doing all that well after so many Federal Liberal majorities.

But, hey.. maybe you're premier will fnd some good, high paying union jobs in China.

I guess your didn't "hear" anything, huh? I guess you didn't "hear" about Natives being a FEDERAL responsibility (hence the Conservatives) and I guess you didn't "hear" that Toronto's overall crime score as a % difference from the national rate puts it as a national ranking of 26!! In fact, NO Ontario cites rank in the top 10( but 1/2 are BC)! Sexual Assault? 54th. Murder? 21st, but hey, the WEST seems to clean up on that category as 8 of the top 10 come from there (and Conservative Alberta has 3, but i'm not about to make that an ideological issue)

Source: Maclean's

Thanks for playing and dodging and maybe next time you'll "hear" something valid or relevant

[CommanderSock]

$1:

Funny, all I hear are shootings, stabbings, gangs, dugs and now a huge transit strike. Let's add native rebelion and a few other things and I'd imagine that you're premier will be begging to Ottawa again.. when he gets back from China.

If the Libs were the party of favor for Toronto, you'd expect the streets to be paved with gold, instead of shit & blood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story ... crime.html


Oh I'm sorry, you said something about Ontario's gangs and violent crime problem? Well, looks like Alberta's rates aren't too cozy are they. Your argument fails.

[hwacker]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Uh-oh...the partisan automatons are out pushing rhetoric again. And, as per usual, it's long on junk politics and short on truth.

Sorry, but Ontario isn't "Left" it's "centrist" but hey, who is anyone to argue with the informed observers

wrong wrong wrong, you're a lefty how could you tell?

I own a house there and GTA is a cess pool of liberals.

[Mustang1]

hwacker hwacker:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Uh-oh...the partisan automatons are out pushing rhetoric again. And, as per usual, it's long on junk politics and short on truth.

Sorry, but Ontario isn't "Left" it's "centrist" but hey, who is anyone to argue with the informed observers

wrong wrong wrong, you're a lefty how could you tell?

I own a house there and GTA is a cess pool of liberals.

right, right, right, and i'm a centrist

I live in the GTA and it's a lake or moderates

[westmanguy]

I disagree, the GTA is Liberal, every once in a while (Mike Harris) certain parts will go for the Provincial Progressive Conservatives, but the entire region is very socialist and set in their liberal ways.

GTA is to the Liberal Party as Alberta is to the Conservative Party.

And I mean GREATER Toronto, the outer suburbs of Vaughan, Barrie, New Market, Aurora, are prime areas for the Conservative Party, along with the City of Mississauga too.

[CommanderSock]

Most of the suburbs lean left too. Actually you have to go Kitchener, Hamilton etc to really get into the conservative bases. Even those are diluting with plenty of Torontonians looking for cheaper housing there, and bringing the liberal vote with them. Mississauga for example is now leaning farther left than it did a few years ago.

[ryan29]

coming from the liberal toronto star i'd take this article only so seriously and even in the negative tone they tried to write it in dion and his liberals are still behind nationally and not picking up ndp support either .

and considering all the bad press for the cpc in the last week and allegations that they somehow bought the election which is nonesense it should be a concern for the liberals that they didn't really make any gains in this poll other than in the allready liberal gta. dion just isn't seen as an alternative or best to manage the countries top concerns .

[Johnny_Utah]

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<strong>Date: </strong> 2008-04-26 07:48:20
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No matter what few troubles the Conservatives have right now they are nothing to the corrupt scandals over the 12 years Liberals were in power, nice try no dice!

[ryan29]

westmanguy westmanguy:

I disagree, the GTA is Liberal, every once in a while (Mike Harris) certain parts will go for the Provincial Progressive Conservatives, but the entire region is very socialist and set in their liberal ways.

GTA is to the Liberal Party as Alberta is to the Conservative Party.

And I mean GREATER Toronto, the outer suburbs of Vaughan, Barrie, New Market, Aurora, are prime areas for the Conservative Party, along with the City of Mississauga too.

well the GTA has been pretty liberal over the years , it started to become more liberal when all the new immigrants arrived and changed the demographics in those ridings drastically .

but there is other factors in play as well such as the local media which is very liberal in those cities . so that helps them out i think .

and almost all the high profile liberal mp's and other leadership contenders came from this area .

[ryan29]

Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:

Newsbot Newsbot:

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<strong>Date: </strong> 2008-04-26 07:48:20
<strong>Canadian</strong>

No matter what few troubles the Conservatives have right now they are nothing to the corrupt scandals over the 12 years Liberals were in power, nice try no dice!

i know did they really think people were going to run to the liberals because of a few negative stories about the cpc that the media has cooked up to be larger than they really are . they assume canadians have no memory at all

[CommanderSock]

$1:

well the GTA has been pretty liberal over the years , it started to become more liberal when all the new immigrants arrived and changed the demographics in those ridings drastically .

but there is other factors in play as well such as the local media which is very liberal in those cities . so that helps them out i think .

and almost all the high profile liberal mp's and other leadership contenders came from this area .

People in the city seem to like the liberals because they suit their style of living and needs. The liberal policies are perceived as more pro city, neo-western european, less revolving around ideology. One thing that still eludes me, is why people vote conservative. I know why many vote liberal as I work in Toronto. But i don't know many cons inside of Toronto.

I own a house in Kitchener and <b>some</b> the people have some nasty reasons for voting cons, I have repeatedly heard people saying "Those pakys and niggers need to get the fuck out of our country", really disgusting comments.
But beyond ideology, I just want to be better informed about Conservative Canada and the <b>logical</b> (not Ideological) reasons they vote for the cons. For example Albertans views of the cons versus to liberals, and even smaller town Ontario.

[fifeboy]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

Mustang1

$1:

Sorry, but Ontario isn't "Left" it's "centrist" but hey, who is anyone to argue with the informed observers

In your dreams! If it was it wouldn't have so many safe LIBRANO seats in the GTA and harper would have a majority.

Damn that democracy, what a bummer

[fifeboy]

hwacker hwacker:

I own a house there and GTA is a cess pool of liberals.

Oh poor wacker. Move to Saskatchewan, it voted Connie.