[ShepherdsDog]

Did the Haldron Collider hiccough and open a gateway to an alternate reality or something?

[RUEZ]

jeff744 jeff744:

I have, and I have yet to have seen Iran go out and sink an Israeli ship just to piss them off. Iran is a lot more sane than people seem to believe, hell, America and Russia took the world within inches of being wiped out several times. But we are still expected to trust them with the vast arsenals.

I was just looking at another thread. The one about Iran sentencing an American to death for being a spy. Although he claims to have just been in the country to visit his grandmother, wich makes sense since his parents were from Iran. Now if they carry out this death sentence on an innocent man won't they have done the same thing? I see comments from you are absent on that story.

[jeff744]

RUEZ RUEZ:

jeff744 jeff744:

I have, and I have yet to have seen Iran go out and sink an Israeli ship just to piss them off. Iran is a lot more sane than people seem to believe, hell, America and Russia took the world within inches of being wiped out several times. But we are still expected to trust them with the vast arsenals.

I was just looking at another thread. The one about Iran sentencing an American to death for being a spy. Although he claims to have just been in the country to visit his grandmother, which makes sense since his parents were from Iran. Now if they carry out this death sentence on an innocent man won't they have done the same thing? I see comments from you are absent on that story.

When you continue to send spies into a country it is not surprising they decide to arrest people, even if they are innocent. A lot of these are entirely preventable when you don't do everything in your power to bankrupt and destroy the nation. Like I said before, don't act surprised when a cornered animal decides to bite.

[RUEZ]

jeff744 jeff744:

Like I said before, don't act surprised when a cornered animal decides to bite.

Bingo.

[jeff744]

RUEZ RUEZ:

jeff744 jeff744:

Like I said before, don't act surprised when a cornered animal decides to bite.

Bingo.

So you admit the US has basically cornered Iran? I believe that defines them as the aggressor with Iran simply retaliating in the only way it knows. Maybe next time people should remember animals are a lot more friendly when you let them come to you (even if you do bribe them with a little food). This is basically justifying Iran's killing of a guy (and using the spy story does allow you to throw a bunch of doubts around about the validity of it on both sides). Iran may very well have caught a spy, cover stories can be pretty handy, or they may have grabbed an innocent person.

[RUEZ]

jeff744 jeff744:

RUEZ RUEZ:

jeff744 jeff744:

Like I said before, don't act surprised when a cornered animal decides to bite.

Bingo.

So you admit the US has basically cornered Iran?

Not at all. You've completely misunderstood what I meant.

[jeff744]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Not at all. You've completely misunderstood what I meant.

So what you're saying is that Iran should bend over an take it up the ass like the rest of the world is expected to? Usually the only nations that go around executing the citizens of another nation have been pissed off by that nation and finally decided to retaliate. Maybe we should try a different approach, like offering to help them build their own ability to refine reactor grade uranium in exchange for full access. Most animals don't bite without a reason to.

[martin14]

jeff744 jeff744:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Not at all. You've completely misunderstood what I meant.

So what you're saying is that Iran should bend over an take it up the ass like the rest of the world is expected to? Usually the only nations that go around executing the citizens of another nation have been pissed off by that nation and finally decided to retaliate. Maybe we should try a different approach, like offering to help them build their own ability to refine reactor grade uranium in exchange for full access. Most animals don't bite without a reason to.

you have a lot to learn, and first, even more to research before opening your mouth.


Start with IAEA

[jeff744]

martin14 martin14:

jeff744 jeff744:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Not at all. You've completely misunderstood what I meant.

So what you're saying is that Iran should bend over an take it up the ass like the rest of the world is expected to? Usually the only nations that go around executing the citizens of another nation have been pissed off by that nation and finally decided to retaliate. Maybe we should try a different approach, like offering to help them build their own ability to refine reactor grade uranium in exchange for full access. Most animals don't bite without a reason to.

you have a lot to learn, and first, even more to research before opening your mouth.


Start with IAEA

You mean like how after the Shah was remove the west basically stopped caring about Iran and instead they built a nuclear power plant with the Russians instead? Iran seems mighty friendly with Russia in comparison to the US. I just looked into it and this is likely the fifth person killed since 2010, I wonder how long it will be before somebody decides continuing on the violent path deserves a sixth sacrifice without trying the peaceful one.

Actually, I did a quick wiki check and found a few nice tidbits.

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Also in October, the United States, France and Russia proposed a UN-drafted deal to Iran regarding its nuclear program, in an effort to find a compromise between Iran's stated need for a nuclear reactor and international concerns that Iran harbors a secret intent on developing a nuclear weapon. After some delay in responding, on 29 October, Ahmadinejad voiced an openness towards cooperation with other world powers. "We welcome fuel exchange, nuclear co-operation, building of power plants and reactors and we are ready to co-operate," he said in a live broadcast on state television.[246] However, he added that Iran would not retreat "one iota" on its right to a sovereign nuclear program. [247]

That sure as hell made a lot of progress towards cooperating, that would also have given a good way to get in and fully account for all the uranium enrichment occurring so that they cannot hide any. Hell, even the not backing down could have been changed over time considering how much talk Ahmadinejad is. Actually, that would likely have made more progress than those repeated UN sanctions.


EDIT: Found another one.

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The November 2007 United States National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) asserted that Tehran halted a nuclear weapons program in fall 2003, but that Iran "at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapon".[213] Russian analyst Alexei Arbatov, said "no hard facts on violation of the NPT per se have been discovered" and also wrote that "all this is not enough to accuse Iran of a formal breach of the letter of the NPT" and "giving Iran the benefit of the doubt, there is no hard evidence of its full-steam development of a military nuclear program."[315]

[martin14]

There was actually no need to modify my previous reaction to Jeff for this
reaction to Jeff, so here it is again.

martin14 martin14:

you have a lot to learn, and first, even more to research before opening your mouth.


Start with IAEA

[jeff744]

martin14 martin14:

There was actually no need to modify my previous reaction to Jeff for this
reaction to Jeff, so here it is again.

martin14 martin14:

you have a lot to learn, and first, even more to research before opening your mouth.


Start with IAEA

How about you read a bit on Iran, their statements make a lot more sense than the ones coming out of America.

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Iranian statements on nuclear deterrence

The Iranian authorities deny seeking a nuclear weapons capacity for deterrence or retaliation since Iran's level of technological progress cannot match that of existing nuclear weapons states, and the acquisition of nuclear weapons would only spark an arms race in the Mideast. According to Ambassador Javad Zarif:

It is true that Iran has neighbors with abundant nuclear weapons, but this does not mean that Iran must follow suit. In fact, the predominant view among Iranian decision-makers is that development, acquisition or possession of nuclear weapons would only undermine Iranian security. Viable security for Iran can be attained only through inclusion and regional and global engagement.[327][328]

Iran's President Ahmadinejad, during an interview with NBC anchor Brian Willians in July 2008, also dismissed the utility of nuclear weapons as a source of security and stated:

Again, did nuclear arms help the Soviet Union from falling and disintegrating? For that matter, did a nuclear bomb help the U.S. to prevail inside Iraq or Afghanistan, for that matter? Nuclear bombs belong to the 20th century. We are living in a new century ... Nuclear energy must not be equaled to a nuclear bomb. This is a disservice to the society of man.[329]

And according Ali Akbar Salehi, the head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organisation:

In matters of national security we are not timid. We will assert our intentions. If nuclear weapons would have brought security, we would have announced to the world that we would go after them ... We do not think a nuclear Iran would be stronger ... If we have weapons of mass destruction we are not going to use them – we cannot. We did not use chemical weapons against Iraq. Secondly, we do not feel any real threat from our neighbours. Pakistan and the Persian Gulf, we have no particular problems with them, nor with Afghanistan. The only powerful country is Russia in the north, and no matter how many nuclear weapons we had we could not match Russia. Israel, our next neighbour, we do not consider an entity by itself but as part of the US. Facing Israel means facing the US. We cannot match the US. We do not have strategic differences with our neighbours, including Turkey.[330]

[martin14]

and you choosing to believe such drivel makes you either a completely naive fool,

or a troll, looking for any excuse to start a fight.



Match all they 'say' with what they 'do'....



I said, read the IAEA, and then learn to read what they are REALLY saying.

[jeff744]

martin14 martin14:

and you choosing to believe such drivel makes you either a completely naive fool,

or a troll, looking for any excuse to start a fight.



Match all they 'say' with what they 'do'....



I said, read the IAEA, and then learn to read what they are REALLY saying.

So, you basically ignored some extremely logical arguments (honestly, I was pretty surprised to see those) because the US says to. The IAEA suspects but you act as though they have confirmed it with photos and a video of them setting it off. Maybe you should start reading more than one side of a story, or just stop listening to FOX news.

[ShepherdsDog]

were Iran a secular society I might consider these comments. However, you have a cabal of evil clerics running things there who likely think they can bring about the Second Coming(yes the Muzzies believe in it and the End of days crap too) and Judgement day by heralding in Armageddon with a nuke or three.

[jeff744]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

were Iran a secular society I might consider these comments. However, you have a cabal of evil clerics running things there who likely think they can bring about the Second Coming(yes the Muzzies believe in it and the End of days crap too) and Judgement day by heralding in Armageddon with a nuke or three.

Ali Khamenei , Supreme Leader of Iran:

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Condemnation of September 11, 2001 attacks

After the September 11, 2001 attacks, Khamenei condemned the act and the attackers and called for a condemnation of terrorist activities all over the world, but warned strongly against a military intervention in Afghanistan.[116] He is quoted as saying, "Mass killings of human beings are catastrophic acts which are condemned wherever they may happen and whoever the perpetrators and the victims may be".[116]
[edit] The Israeli-Palestinian conflict

Khamenei remains a steadfast opponent of the State of Israel and Zionism. In 2001 Khamenei famously remarked that "this cancerous tumor of a state [Israel] should be removed from the region" and that "no one will allow a bunch of thugs, lechers and outcasts from London, Washington and Moscow to rule over the Palestinians." On the same occasion he proposed that "Palestinian refugees should return and Muslims, Christians and Jews could choose a government for themselves, excluding immigrant Jews."[117]

According to anti-regime change activist Abbas Edalat, in 2005 Khamenei responded to President Ahmadinejad's remark that Zionism should be "wiped off the map" by saying that "the Islamic Republic has never threatened and will never threaten any country."[118] Moreover Khamenei's main advisor in foreign policy, Ali Akbar Velayati, refused to take part in a Holocaust conference. In contrast to Ahmadinejad's remarks, Velayati said that the Holocaust was a genocide and a historical reality.[119]

Yup, evil clerics alright. I can totally see this guy starting a genocide of mass proportions.