[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

That says they could be terrorists in the making. But was this shooting a terrorist act, or was it just a workplace shooting? Anyone can (and usually do) say all sorts of shit on Facebook. Did they actually believe it, and was this part of their beliefs?

Those things we need to know before they get labelled 'terrorism'.

But when we didn't know fuck all, like at the start of this topic, it was okay to blame white guys, NRA members, and gun rights.

Sorry, Dr. C, you lost this argument. Cut your losses and stop before you look as stupid as the fucking Democrats do.

No Bart, I have not 'lost' because I am not wrong. You and Martin think I'm arguing one point, that they were not terrorists, but I'm not.

Blaming those groups would also be assuming guilt, where no proof existed. I did no such thing. I did not engage in that speculation any more than I would blame ISIS or Al Queda for the random acts of someone the FBI considers to be 'self radicalized'.

I really don't know what this rush is to label this 'terrorism'. Labels won't help the situation. People will still be dead. Families will still be missing loved one. But ISIS will be a little 'stronger' because of that label. ISIS is not strong. ISIS is not anything to either be feared or respected. They prey on the weak and the innocent because they themselves are weak.

No different than this couple. Weak. Pathetic. But labeling them simply means they can either be dismissed, revered or held as a symbol of fear - depending on the group doing the labeling.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

No one is going to be convicted because, if you overlooked this detail, the terrorists are dead as a result of a shootout with the police where they were tossing pipe bombs at the police.

Legal convictions don't matter to groups looking to radicalize more people based on the 'success' of this couple. What does matter is how we as a society react to them. If we fear ISIS or Al Queda then we empower them. We give them another 'win' to show the 'faithful' that the 'Great Satan' can be fought and the faithful can win! If we treat them like the pathetic bullies they are, they lose their greatest weapon.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I really don't know what this rush is to label this 'terrorism'.

The rush is to instill fear and hatred and deflect from all the regular mass shootings the US has. It's about "see those scummy Muslims, lets hate them and fear their attacks, but good ole white boys shooting things up, that's just another day in America."

That said, I'm labeling this terrorism. There's no problem in walking that back if I'm wrong, unlike the official statements.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

The rush is to instill fear and hatred and deflect from all the regular mass shootings the US has. It's about "see those scummy Muslims, lets hate them and fear their attacks, but good ole white boys shooting things up, that's just another day in America."

That said, I'm labeling this terrorism. There's no problem in walking that back if I'm wrong, unlike the official statements.

I'm opposed to gun free zones. And each and every one of these mass shootings of recent times has been at a gun free zone where the killers are almost certain to encounter unarmed victims.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

The rush is to instill fear and hatred and deflect from all the regular mass shootings the US has. It's about "see those scummy Muslims, lets hate them and fear their attacks, but good ole white boys shooting things up, that's just another day in America."

That said, I'm labeling this terrorism. There's no problem in walking that back if I'm wrong, unlike the official statements.

I'm opposed to gun free zones. And each and every one of these mass shootings of recent times has been at a gun free zone where the killers are almost certain to encounter unarmed victims.

Kay. Doesn't really address what I posted tho.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Kay. Doesn't really address what I posted tho.

No, I'm addressing dealing with a commonality that creates a vulnerability to this kind of attack whether it's crazy white guys doing it or if it's people who've been influenced by a deranged cult.

Deny them their favorite form of hunting ground and that can go a long way to deterring these attacks in the future.

[BRAH]

The landlord of the Terroist suspects let the media into their apartment! The F****** media should know better!

[andyt]

Good luck with that. As long as you keep the insanity south of the border.

[PluggyRug]

Were people terrorised...yes...then it's terrorism, fuck with the semantics.

[ShepherdsDog]

semantricks is a better way of putting it. pretty sure the intent was to sow terror too, whether it was over a disagreement at work(over religion as suggested) or committing the act in the name of their twisted view of religion. Terror was what ensued, therefore it's terrorism.

$1:

In its broadest sense, terrorism is any act designed to cause terror.

[bootlegga]

Based on what's come out so far, it certainly looks like terrorism, but I'll still wait until I hear from the experts to confirm it.

If it is determined to be terrorism, it's likely not organized terrorism like 9/11, but a self-radicalized a-hole who went nuts, kind of like Bibeau did in Ottawa last year.

Once it again it also shows that gun control does work to minimize the toll in events like this. Due to our stronger gun control laws, Bibeau didn't have access to high capacity magazines or assault rifles (like these scumbags did), which limited Bibeau's ability to inflict harm - imagine what might have happened if he had been armed like these a-holes.

[andyt]

No, no, the x-spurts on CKA have informed us that a lever or bolt action rifle is just as quick to fire as a semi-automatic and just as deadly. The reason all the mass shooters use semi-automatics is just a fad. They see one guy use one and they've got to use one too.

[BRAH]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BRAH BRAH:

Something I forgot to add: " The wife pledged allegiance on Facebook to ISIS leader minutes after the attack." what does this tell you? These were Terrorist just like the Tsarnaev brothers who were responsible for the Boston bombing.

That says they could be terrorists in the making. But was this shooting a terrorist act, or was it just a workplace shooting? Anyone can (and usually do) say all sorts of shit on Facebook. Did they actually believe it, and was this part of their beliefs?

Those things we need to know before they get labelled 'terrorism'.

It's only Terrorism when guns are not used.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Good luck with that. As long as you keep the insanity south of the border.

Canada plans on letting in more Syrians than we are so my hope is that we keep the real insanity north of the border.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

No, no, the x-spurts on CKA have informed us that a lever or bolt action rifle is just as quick to fire as a semi-automatic and just as deadly. The reason all the mass shooters use semi-automatics is just a fad. They see one guy use one and they've got to use one too.

Just a little reality check here:

I've gone up against people who were armed with full-auto weapons, RPG's, and mounted weapons and I did so much of the time with a bolt-action rifle.

I'm here and they're not.

Draw your own conclusions.

[martin14]

The FBI has finally stated they are investigating this as an act of terrorism.