[N_Fiddledog]

Robair Robair:

According to everybody but trump, the deal was working.

Who do you mean by "everybody?" I think I can guess but I know for a fact you don't actually mean "Everybody" because I don't think the deal was working. You can't mean Netanyahu either. He had doubts:

https://www.jns.org/iran-lied-big-time- ... r-program/

As did this guy:

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“Iran regime conducted nuclear-weaponization activities, lied to the IAEA and to the world & hid 100,000+ documents, videos, photos with the instructions to restart a nuke weapons program at a time of its choosing,” tweeted Mark Dubowitz, CEO of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

I'm assuming the right wing website American Thinker is not on your list of 'everybody.' Of course not. But I think they make an interesting point:

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The agreement gave a lot of discretion to the Iranian terrorist regime to cheat by allowing regime members to decide the nature, extent, time, and place of the inspections. It seems that the deal gave the fox the keys to the henhouse while the world and media pretend the so-called findings from the fake inspections are true and credible.

The liberal media will cheer anything in order to protect Obama's legacy, and the Europeans will cheer any deal providing them with hard cash, regardless of the dangerous consequences from a nuclear-armed Iran.

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... _lies.html

Is that not correct? Can you show me why not. Because if it is correct how does your "everybody" know for a fact the Iranians were honoring the deal.

Even if they were how do know that these instigations we've been seeing from Iran were not purposeful so Iran could come forward eventually after some counter-attack event they instigated then say the deal's off and claim to be the victim. You know...like they did.

Oh and I could address T's claim concerning Saddam but I won't. I'm not seeing what it has to do with this.

[N_Fiddledog]

I don't hear a lot of talk about this clause of the Obama/Kerry gift package but perhaps there should be:

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6. Obama’s Deal Allows Russia and China to Supply Iran with Weapons

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov confirmed on Tuesday that “weapons supplies will be possible” under the new deal. As the International Business Times reports, “Russia and China will continue to make weapons deals with Iran under U.N. procedures.” Krauthammer argues that “the net effect of this capitulation will be not only to endanger our Middle East allies now under threat from Iran and its proxies, but to endanger our own naval forces in the Persian Gulf.” He added, “Imagine how Iran’s acquisition of the most advanced anti-ship missiles would threaten our control over the Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz, waterways we have kept open for international commerce for a half century.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015 ... lear-deal/

I don't call that "working." Or if it was, then for whom?

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Turned out that the international inspectors generally agreed that Saddam wasn't rebuilding his WMD programme in 2003 and that it was the pro-war US administration who completely lied about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/oct/11/usa.iraq

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The US Senate today voted overwhelmingly in favour of a war resolution that leaves the way clear for President Bush to use US military force against Saddam Hussein.
The Democratic-led Senate passed the measure by 77 votes to 23 early this morning, ending an often contentious week-long debate. The House of Representatives, the lower house of America's parliament, approved the resolution yesterday by 296 votes to 133.

And what laid the foundations for US policy in Iraq which culminated in the invasion?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act

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The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 is a United States Congressional statement of policy stating that "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq ..." It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton, and states that it is the policy of the United States to support democratic movements within Iraq. The Act was cited in October 2002 to argue for the authorization of military force against the Iraqi government.

It was a group of warhawks and the group was bipartisan with principle cheerleaders being on the Democrat side when they were accusing President Bush of "inaction" against Hussein.

[CharlesAnthony]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I don't call that "working." Or if it was, then for whom?

You are asking the wrong questions.

You should be asking: How is is possible that the Chinese-people and the Russian-people have got leverage over the clowns who are pulling USACorp apart?

[BartSimpson]

CharlesAnthony CharlesAnthony:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I don't call that "working." Or if it was, then for whom?

You are asking the wrong questions.

You should be asking: How is is possible that the Chinese-people and the Russian-people have got leverage over the clowns who are pulling USACorp apart?

The American people sold their birthright for cheap shit at Wal Mart.

Biblical reference:

Genesis 25:29-34

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Once when Jacob was cooking stew, his brother Esau came in from the field, and he was exhausted. And Esau said to Jacob, “Let me eat some of that red stew, for I am exhausted!” (Therefore his name was called Edom.[a]) Jacob said, “Sell me your birthright now.” Esau said, “I am about to die; of what use is a birthright to me?” Jacob said, “Swear to me now.” So he swore to him and sold his birthright to Jacob. Then Jacob gave Esau bread and lentil stew, and he ate and drank and rose and went his way. Thus Esau despised his birthright.

Esau's birthright was the inheritance of a kingdom. He sold it for a bowl of soup.

Americans have been selling their birthright for cheap plastic shit from China.

[CharlesAnthony]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The American people sold their birthright for cheap shit at Wal Mart.

Oh, I get it!
They had choice!

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Americans have been selling their birthright for cheap plastic shit from China.

That is not the way I see things but that does not matter.

It is enough that I agree with you that amercians are sold. Americans have to decide whether they are bad people or slaves of bad people.

[N_Fiddledog]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It was a group of warhawks and the group was bipartisan with principle cheerleaders being on the Democrat side when they were accusing President Bush of "inaction" against Hussein.

True. However somebody was opposed to it:

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There was no prominent American more vehemently opposed to the 2003 invasion of Iraq than Donald Trump, and he was equally opposed to the insane Obama-conceived treaty with Iran in 2015 that allowed it to continue to develop long-range missiles and nuclear warheads but to suspend creation of fissile material, subject to porous verification, for 10 years, i.e. five years from now, with a $100-billion signing bonus of eased sanctions and released funds (which no doubt helped Iran acquire the missiles used in its little squeak of retaliation this week).

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad ... -soleimani

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It was a group of warhawks and the group was bipartisan with principle cheerleaders being on the Democrat side when they were accusing President Bush of "inaction" against Hussein.

I never said the Dems weren't also to blame, especially Joe Lieberman who you tried to make out as a patriot-among-Dem-villains for his non-stop pro-war stance of the last thirty years. But the Bush Admin lying about the WMD's is much worse ethically and morally that what the Congress committed itself to. The entire fiasco was based on false pretenses from the beginning, starting with the foolishness that getting rid of Saddam would somehow harm the ones responsible for Sept 11, 2001. Want to get back at those who did 9/11? Then drop a nuke on Riyadh, for fuck's sake, because it's been (and still is) those bastards in the Kingdom who have been responsible for the huge majority of the terrorism of the last fifty years.

[Tricks]

Iran admitted to shooting it down by accident.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-e ... EMv52a5lpo

[Martin15]

Tricks Tricks:

Iran admitted to shooting it down by accident.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-e ... EMv52a5lpo

So they really are interested in standing down. Good.

They also must be really scared, backing down this fast.

[Sunnyways]

Tricks Tricks:

Iran admitted to shooting it down by accident.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-e ... EMv52a5lpo

That is surprising and welcome progress. The Russians haven’t come clean about MH17 yet.

[Sunnyways]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

Robair Robair:

Do we now have 63 dead Canadian citizens because of Trumps disdain for all things Obama?

We have 63 dead Canadians because the idiots in charge of launching Iran's missiles blindy fire them at anything that moves because they're hate for America let's them see little else.




-J.

Other countries have made similar mistakes e.g. Russia, the US.

[PluggyRug]

Something smells fishy about the "accidental" downing of flight 752.....

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... ights.html

[Freakinoldguy]

Tricks Tricks:

Iran admitted to shooting it down by accident.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-e ... EMv52a5lpo

They may have admitted that it was an accident but I like alot of others remain more than a little skeptical.

Piss poor radar and a trigger happy Revolutionary Guard battery commander aside how the fuck you can't differentiate a plane taking off from your country's main airport runway and moving away to a plane coming in low for an attack is beyond belief.

Nope they shot it down on purpose and whether it was the action of a rogue battery or a calculated move by the gov't and or ayatollahs someone in Iran had a reason for doing it and did it.

[herbie]

Oh come on, just come up with ONE reason they'd shoot down a Ukranian airliner full of Iranians and Iranian/something else passengers on purpose.
Some subcommander will get his head lopped off, compensation will get offered.

WHO got them all jumpy and on edge? Who? Point your finger there!