[andyt]

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This is how racism takes root

By now surely everyone knows the case of the eight men convicted of picking vulnerable underage girls off the streets, then plying them with drink and drugs before having sex with them. A shocking story. But maybe you haven't heard. Because these sex assaults did not take place in Rochdale, where a similar story led the news for days in May, but in Derby earlier this month. Fifteen girls aged 13 to 15, many of them in care, were preyed on by the men. And though they were not working as a gang, their methods were similar – often targeting children in care and luring them with, among other things, cuddly toys. But this time, of the eight predators, seven were white, not Asian. And the story made barely a ripple in the national media.

Of the daily papers, only the Guardian and the Times reported it. There was no commentary anywhere on how these crimes shine a light on British culture, or how middle-aged white men have to confront the deep flaws in their religious and ethnic identity. Yet that's exactly what played out following the conviction in May of the "Asian sex gang" in Rochdale, which made the front page of every national newspaper. Though analysis of the case focused on how big a factor was race, religion and culture, the unreported story is of how politicians and the media have created a new racial scapegoat. In fact, if anyone wants to study how racism begins, and creeps into the consciousness of an entire nation, they need look no further.

Imagine you were living in a town of 20,000 people – the size of, say, Penzance in Cornwall – and one day it was discovered that one of its residents had been involved in a sex crime. Would it be reasonable to say that the whole town had a cultural problem, that it needed to address the scourge – that anyone not doing so was part of a "conspiracy of silence"? But the intense interest in the Rochdale story arose from a January 2011 Times "scoop" that was based on the conviction of at most 50 British Pakistanis out of a total UK population of 1.2 million, just one in 24,000: one person per Penzance.

Make no mistake, the Rochdale crimes were vile, and those convicted deserve every year of their sentences. But where, amid all the commentary, was the evidence that this is a racial issue; that there's something inherently perverted about Muslim or Asian culture?

Even the Child Protection and Online Protection Centre (Ceop), which has also studied potential offenders who have not been convicted, has only identified 41 Asian gangs (of 230 in total) and 240 Asian individuals – and they are spread across the country. But, despite this, a new stereotype has taken hold: that a significant proportion of Asian men are groomers (and the rest of their communities know of it and keep silent).

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... takes-root

[Zipperfish]

Like I said--full panic mode.

The article says "This is where racism takes root." Don't they think it already took root when these gangs of Pakistani Muslims preyed on non-Mulsim, predominately white girls? Of course they don't. Racism against white people doesn't count.

[martin14]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Like I said--full panic mode.

The article says "This is where racism takes root." Don't they think it already took root when these gangs of Pakistani Muslims preyed on non-Mulsim, predominately white girls? Of course they don't. Racism against white people doesn't count.

That needs to be highlighted.

I just gave you +5 in another thread, but this deserves another one.

[andyt]

You haven't kept up. Turns out that Muslim girls were also abused, just not reported because of their culture of keeping it quiet. You're going to have to get over the idea that this is a hate crime focused on whites, and instead it's a regular crime of opportunity - they'll groom whoever they can get. Britain being 92 percent white, points to more white girls being abused. Far more white girls from troubled families and in foster care (troubled Pakistani families too, no doubt, but the authorities are less likely to hear of them, and less likely to act because of fears of racism) who are out late at night hanging about where these groomers can get at them.

But hey, you want to make the Daily Mirror the font of accurate information while slagging the Guardian as a left wing rag, feel free. It's also been shown that "Asian" grooming gangs get far more media attention than when white men do it. As usual, if it's Asians the whole community gets blamed, when it's whites it's deemed just a few rotten apples.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

You haven't kept up. Turns out that Muslim girls were also abused, just not reported because of their culture of keeping it quiet. You're going to have to get over the idea that this is a hate crime focused on whites, and instead it's a regular crime of opportunity - they'll groom whoever they can get. Britain being 92 percent white, points to more white girls being abused. Far more white girls from troubled families and in foster care (troubled Pakistani families too, no doubt, but the authorities are less likely to hear of them, and less likely to act because of fears of racism) who are out late at night hanging about where these groomers can get at them.

But hey, you want to make the Daily Mirror the font of accurate information while slagging the Guardian as a left wing rag, feel free. It's also been shown that "Asian" grooming gangs get far more media attention than when white men do it. As usual, if it's Asians the whole community gets blamed, when it's whites it's deemed just a few rotten apples.

Well slagging the Guardian does feel odd, being a liberal myself, but that doesn't mean I have to toe the company line no matter what. And this has just gone too far. I marvel at the mental gymnastics required to not see what is right in front of them.

Britain you say is 92% white, therefore more white girls would be abused. Fair enough. Curious that you don't mention the corollary of that statistic though. If 92% of Britain is white, then only 8% of the perpetrators should be non-white correct?

But that is not the case. Pakistani Muslims are significantly overrepresented, according to the sparse data available. And if you do the statistcial analysis for the Rotherham case, you have hundreds of predominately Pakistani Muslim men attacking thousdands of prediminately white girls. It is easy to calculate that the chance of this being a random occurrence is vanishingly small.

Why is harassing non-Muslims in "sharia" neighbourhoods not considered racism? Why is shouting "Allu Akbar" while sawing off the head of a soldier in a London suburb not considered racism? Why isn't going off to ISIS to kill infidels not considered racism?

This is part of pattern of failed integration. Most of that failure is due to certain Muslims (and Pakistani Muslims are undoubtedly over-represetned) that hold western culture in contempt, and promulgate this hate through the mosques and Muslim schools. Some of the failure is due to a culture of political correctness and multiculturalism pushed to the point where authorities would rather turn their backs on systematic horrific child abuse rather than challenge that.

[andyt]

Absolutely Pakistanis (and likely other non Anglican Brits) are overrepresented in this particular form of child sexual abuse. The internet lurers, otho, are almost all white - where's the outcry about the rotte white community about that. No, it's just a few rotten apples.

Got those stats for 100's of Pakistani men vs how may of other backgrounds? From what I've seen, the majority are still white. As has been pointed out for this particular type of offense, it happens at night around taxi stands and takeaways - predominantly Asian men work in those jobs. why do you focus only on this, not child sexual abuse in general?

Harassing non-Muslims is racism. Can't answer for people who don't see it that way. Sawing the head off that guy is just plain terrorism, they might have done the same to a Pakistani cop if they had come across one. As for ISIS, by far most of their victims are Muslim, they are equal opportunity killers. It's sectarian violence, if you want to call that racism.

No doubt about the failed integration. Some of it is as you say. Some of it is due to exactly what we are seeing played out here - the racism on the white side. That one is definitely a two way street.

I've said repeatedly that western countries should not bring in masses of immigrants from any one country. I don't agree with banning immigration from Pakistan, but if you reduce the overall number of immigrants, don't' allow them to all come from a few source countries, you will reduce the likelihood of the immigrants forming enclaves and not integrating. Just as in Canada, I've repeatedly asked why we are letting so many people in, why can so many of them not speak proper
English and get accredited for the skills they supposedly possess that allowed them in here in the first place? So you get a bunch of people who can't communicate with the wider culture and who are forced to take menial jobs because that's all they can get. How does it serve cour countries to import people like that. I think the only people it serves are the low end job givers.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Absolutely Pakistanis (and likely other non Anglican Brits) are overrepresented in this particular form of child sexual abuse. The internet lurers, otho, are almost all white - where's the outcry about the rotte white community about that. No, it's just a few rotten apples.

If Britain is 92% white then it is perfectly feasible that "internet lurers are almost all white." Probably 92% white. You just established that yourself, remember.

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Got those stats for 100's of Pakistani men vs how may of other backgrounds? From what I've seen, the majority are still white. As has been pointed out for this particular type of offense, it happens at night around taxi stands and takeaways - predominantly Asian men work in those jobs. why do you focus only on this, not child sexual abuse in general?

Because generalizing everything isn't always the answer.

I understand your speculation that it was because Pakistani men work at night and white girls are the ones out looking to get into trouble at night--but that's just speculation. Some of the evidence points against this, including the judges ruling in the Rochdale case (where he specifically ruled that the men targeted gilrs who were not from their community) and the reports of racial abuse by the perpetrators ("white bitches").

Even it turns out merely to be a crime of opportunity as you hold, the race/cultural element will not go away. it never does.

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So you get a bunch of people who can't communicate with the wider culture and who are forced to take menial jobs because that's all they can get. How does it serve cour countries to import people like that. I think the only people it serves are the low end job givers.

And I sympathize with their condition. But there is a particular issue with certain strains of Islam (and the type generally pratciced in Pakistan is one) are fundamentally inimical to western values. I meyslef am convinced that the contempt that these people have for western values was instrumental in their victiminzing girls outside of their community--non-Muslim girls.

[ShepherdsDog]

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But there is a particular issue with certain strains of Islam (and the type generally pratciced in Pakistan is one) are fundamentally inimical to western values.

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well slagging the Guardian does feel odd, being a liberal myself, but

Well let me help you then...

Let's begin by looking at the Derby case they mention. They boast that only themselves and the Times were noble enough to deal with that story.

Lie #1

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 42201.html

They tell you the reason nobody else cared was because there was not a race angle. They hastily divert you from noticing one of the guys was named Ijaz Ahmed, and another three were never named, but that's not enough to call lie # 2.

Here's something that is. It's what they don't tell you.

This was not the first Derby child abuse scandal of this type. The first has its own Wikipedia page. Why did the Guardian not feel it was necessary to tell you that? Perhaps because of this...

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The gang of thirteen men, most of whom were from South Asian backgrounds, lived throughout Derby and the police believed they met through a shared attraction for young girls

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang

Or perhaps because of newspaper articles describing details such as...

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Two of the men in the car were Abid Saddique and and Mohammed Liaqat. Both had families and, it became apparent, both had secret lives.

I was personally shocked at the scale of the abuse we uncovered” said Det Supt Debbie Platt of the Derbyshire Police

They were released but put under surveillance. Council CCTV camera footage given to the BBC shows their silver BMW driving around Derby after midnight looking for teenage girls.

Spotting a pair by the side of the road, they made repeated attempts to entice the girls into their car. Police later found bottles of vodka and plastic cups hidden under the seats so victims could be offered a drink.

Officers had been monitoring the live cameras, ready to step in if any girl got into the car.

On 24 April 2009 the surveillance abruptly ended when two tearful teenagers stumbled out of a Derby flat police were watching and called 999. They claimed they had been raped. The officers had not known they were there.

In statements the girls not only made forceful accusations against Siddique and Liaqat but also named other girls the pair had abused.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11819732

So what the Guardian did was rather than present the truth of the original and more extensive crime spree, they offered up a copycat crime from two years later which only showed that some sleazeballs were still exploiting a system where British care centers under the continued administrative leadership of criminally incompetent Prog bureaucrats were still being used like brothels.

But don't look behind the curtain. The Wizards of Guardian tell you "Look a giant floaty head of four white guys". The trained brain of the Prog reader realizes it has been called to snap to attention and tell the world 'there is no problem with the thousands of girls groomed by hundreds, perhaps thousands in Muslim rape gangs cause the Guardian says there's white guys too."

The Guardian are the lying rodents gobbling up the crumbs under the Cultural Marxist's propaganda machine. They're only tolerated by them because they will squeak and squeal and divert. To see the truth of the useless machine on the factory floor though, one only has to look past the diversion and notice.

[ccga3359]

Strictly a coincidence that they are not white: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... abuse.html

[Zipperfish]

The cockroaches are being exposed to the sun big time now. They are hinting at major arrests in Manchester.

[ccga3359]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

The cockroaches are being exposed to the sun big time now. They are hinting at major arrests in Manchester.

Strange, Manchester is over 40 miles away from Rotherham I thought the problem of Pakistani moslem grooming gangs were only in Rotherham

[BartSimpson]

martin14 martin14:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Like I said--full panic mode.

The article says "This is where racism takes root." Don't they think it already took root when these gangs of Pakistani Muslims preyed on non-Mulsim, predominately white girls? Of course they don't. Racism against white people doesn't count.

That needs to be highlighted.

I just gave you +5 in another thread, but this deserves another one.

Done.

[Zipperfish]

ccga3359 ccga3359:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

The cockroaches are being exposed to the sun big time now. They are hinting at major arrests in Manchester.

Strange, Manchester is over 40 miles away from Rotherham I thought the problem of Pakistani moslem grooming gangs were only in Rotherham

I wonder if any one is looking into it in Canada?

[Zipperfish]

Apparently this weekend, one of the victims approached one her abusers on the street. The result: "The woman was arrested on suspicion of racially aggravated public order offences."

Rotherham child-sex victim confronts her alleged abuser in the street... but SHE is arrested by a van load of police