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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:47 pm
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
Dog and pony show smear campaigns are not the same as legitimate scandals, with proof, papers and witnesses.
After ADSCAM, the libs had a choice to pull back and root out their corruption or ignore it and push ahead. It's obvious they chose the wrong and easy path. Unable to rid themselves of the stink of corruption, their only solution is to drag the other parties down with them. That’s why the media has kicked in against the Conservatives and that’s why the Libs wasted their budget amendment and parliamentary time slagging the NDP and Blok.

I've come out against the CPC but I've never seen you do it.
Either you're happy with all their bullshit or you're a hypocrite.
I agree with Aging_Redneck.


When it comes to criticizing the CPC, Derby doesn't have any beliefs of his own. His opinion flip flops with the Liberal party.

When it comes to criticizing the Liberals, here is a picture that summarizes Derby quite well:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:49 pm
 


DerbyX DerbyX:
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You allow political corruption to take place because you allow your party to get away with it.


Practice what you preach, Derby!!!


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This is just more charactor assasination. I've slagged the CPC party over things that I saw as wrong but none have been so bad as to shake my faith. If 10 years from now they do something as big as ADSCAM, I'd probably go NDP. Most Conservatives are pretty ideological and they'll splinter if they see things they don't like.
That's really the difference. The libs ideals are secondry to power and money.

I'd like to see an RCMP investigation just to shut you up, and charge PMPM with not reporting a crime.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:02 pm
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
Benoit Benoit:
It's an art to kick ass with panache.

.. and to suck up.

It's off topic but credability is a legitimate target and Derby has lost a lot with his refusal to admit or accept any of the past Liberal scandels.
The fact that this whole shitstorm is based on the recolections of the words of a dying man is laughable. No proof exists.


Conservatives and Liberals are copycats from one another.


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 3:58 pm
 


No charges to be laid in Cadman affair

By Jim Bronskill, THE CANADIAN PRESS





Independant MP Chuck Cadman votes during a confidence vote in the House of Commons in Ottawa Thursday, May 19, 2005. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Tom Hanson



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OTTAWA - The RCMP say no charges will be laid in the Chuck Cadman affair, but the mysterious political story appears to have yet more chapters.

The federal Liberals, who originally complained to the Mounties, said Friday the Conservative government still has a duty to give Canadians details of the episode.

Tory MP James Moore, however, pronounced the case closed, calling the Liberals reckless in their false accusations. "We have said from the beginning that nothing improper happened here."

The Mounties were looking into politically explosive allegations that the Tories offered Cadman a life insurance policy in exchange for his support on a key vote in Parliament in 2005.

Cadman, an Independent MP, was dying of cancer at the time.

His widow Dona and daughter Jodi have both said Cadman described being offered a $1-million life insurance policy.


The Conservatives acknowledge that two of Prime Minister Stephen Harper's close confidants, Doug Finley and Tom Flanagan, met with Cadman, but say they only offered a repayable loan for his local riding association to cover campaign expenses if he rejoined the Tories.

Harper told Dona Cadman he did not know of any insurance offer.

He said in a taped interview with Cadman biographer Tom Zytaruk in September 2005 that there was an offer "only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election."

Harper has not publicly explained the financial considerations.

Cadman ultimately sided with the Liberals in a House of Commons confidence vote and kept then-prime minister Paul Martin in office for a few more months.

Liberal MP Dominic LeBlanc released a letter Friday from the RCMP saying the police force had wrapped up its probe and, in consultation with the office of the Ontario attorney general, determined the "investigation disclosed no evidence to support a charge under the Criminal Code or under the Parliament of Canada Act."

LeBlanc said in a statement that while he fully accepts the RCMP's finding, he believes Harper and the Conservatives must disclose details of the offer to Cadman.

"Canadians deserve answers to those questions," he said. "We will continue to press for them."

LeBlanc said the ethical standards of a prime minister must be higher than "those of the evidentiary rules for prosecution under the Criminal Code."

Liberal Leader Stephane Dion echoed LeBlanc's call for Harper to elaborate.

"It's his voice that we hear on the tape," Dion said. "He's speaking about financial considerations for Mr. Cadman. He never explained what that meant, and it's time for him to explain it."

Harper has filed a lawsuit against the Liberals, claiming he was libelled in postings on the party's website.

Moore said Friday the party would be held accountable.

"The Liberals have made fabricated accusations. Very soon Liberals will see how big of a legal problem they have created for themselves."

Zytaruk said the RCMP contacted him during its investigation. "Being a journalist, I didn't give them a statement. But I wouldn't have had anything of material to offer them anyway."

Neither Dona nor Jodi Cadman were available for comment. Both have said they were interviewed by the Mounties.

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no charges ? after an rcmp investigation . it looks like the liberals might of got them self into some trouble by making accusations that they cannot prove and police have decided are not worth investigating .

the liberal party might want to be looking for a good lawyer or there going to lose the lawsuit big time .


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ryan29 ryan29:
no charges ? after an rcmp investigation . it looks like the liberals might of got them self into some trouble by making accusations that they cannot prove and police have decided are not worth investigating .

the liberal party might want to be looking for a good lawyer or there going to lose the lawsuit big time .


You can at the same time lose a lawsuit and win moral support.


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ryan29 ryan29:
no charges ? after an rcmp investigation . it looks like the liberals might of got them self into some trouble by making accusations that they cannot prove and police have decided are not worth investigating .

the liberal party might want to be looking for a good lawyer or there going to lose the lawsuit big time .


You can at the same time lose a lawsuit and win moral support.



yeah but if they lose the lawsuit then its means all there cadman allegations were a bunch of nonesense and maybe even made up or fabricated lies ? right

that isn't going to look very good is it ?

and aren't some people going to wonder how the liberal party came up with such allegations in the first place if the rcmp could not find an evidence to back them up ?


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ryan29 ryan29:
Benoit Benoit:
You can at the same time lose a lawsuit and win moral support.



yeah but if they lose the lawsuit then its means all there cadman allegations were a bunch of nonesense and maybe even made up or fabricated lies ? right

that isn't going to look very good is it ?

and aren't some people going to wonder how the liberal party came up with such allegations in the first place if the rcmp could not find an evidence to back them up ?


The one who doesn't look good at all to me is Stephen Harper on the tape saying "financial considerations"...


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