[Arctic_Menace]

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What I meant was, how much faster do you assume it would go passed light speed? 2x, 3x, 5x, 10x, etc... fairly simple question...

The Large Hadron Collider won't lead to faster-than-light travel any time soon; iut's purpose is to better understand the realm of physics and the universe itself.

And like I said before, there is no limit to how fast one could theoretically travel past the speed of light so long as a strong enough and stable enough "warp bubble" is maintained...

Mankind is so far away from even knowing much about faster-than-light travel, so no one can really answer your question about how fast a ship capable of faster-than-light travel would be able to go...

[Keemo]

The more we know about life, the universe and everything the better. Forty Two is just not a good enough answer. The odds of a black hole existing within the collider for more than a millisecond are so small, it is not worth considering. All the talk about 'recreating conditions immediately after the big bang' is what seems to have triggered the doomsday criers.
While the speed of the beams, 99.999999% c (light speed), and the energy used to get them there is huge, only a tiny fraction of the particles involved will actually collide. It is the debris of these few collisions that will be studied, and depending upon the observations, will prove or disprove supersymmetry/string theory, and possibly explain the universe's missing mass.
The benefits of this knowledge is well worth the minuscule risks of the experiments. Faster than Light travel, or even Star Trek like transporters could be based upon the new understanding of quantum physics we gain.

[kal]

Anyone who thinks a doomsday scenario can occur from this really needs to do some reading on how partical colliders actually work.

[Keemo]

kal kal:

Anyone who thinks a doomsday scenario can occur from this really needs to do some reading on how partical colliders actually work.

What, and let facts get in the way of a perfectly good fear monger?

[Arctic_Menace]

Keemo Keemo:

The more we know about life, the universe and everything the better. Forty Two is just not a good enough answer. The odds of a black hole existing within the collider for more than a millisecond are so small, it is not worth considering. All the talk about 'recreating conditions immediately after the big bang' is what seems to have triggered the doomsday criers.
While the speed of the beams, 99.999999% c (light speed), and the energy used to get them there is huge, only a tiny fraction of the particles involved will actually collide. It is the debris of these few collisions that will be studied, and depending upon the observations, will prove or disprove supersymmetry/string theory, and possibly explain the universe's missing mass.
The benefits of this knowledge is well worth the minuscule risks of the experiments. Faster than Light travel, or even Star Trek like transporters could be based upon the new understanding of quantum physics we gain.

In other words, the pros far outweigh the cons.


And frankly, if a micro blackhole were to establish itself permanently, I'd actually prefer my death to be that way, because it would be instantaneous and painless...

[PluggyRug]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

And frankly, if a micro blackhole were to establish itself permanently, I'd actually prefer my death to be that way, because it would be instantaneous and painless...

Don't know about that...you may pass through the black hole and appear on the other side inside out.

In that alternate universe everything is black and people observe white holes.

[Arctic_Menace]

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Don't know about that...you may pass through the black hole and appear on the other side inside out.

Another possibility is to enter an alternate dimension...

[PluggyRug]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

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Don't know about that...you may pass through the black hole and appear on the other side inside out.

Another possibility is to enter an alternate dimension...

True...I just visit this dimension from time to time.

[kal]

Well, like the article says, the LHC is pretty much incapable of creating a stable black whole. They've already created darkmatter particles with the thing, which are completely destroyed in about a billionth of a second. Same thing would likely happen with a singularity.

[Arctic_Menace]

kal kal:

Well, like the article says, the LHC is pretty much incapable of creating a stable black whole. They've already created darkmatter particles with the thing, which are completely destroyed in about a billionth of a second. Same thing would likely happen with a singularity.

Ditto.


This collider is about as much a doomsday device as a rusty spoon...

[ShepherdsDog]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

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Don't know about that...you may pass through the black hole and appear on the other side inside out.

Another possibility is to enter an alternate dimension...

Another possibility is that time loops back in on itself and you could spend eternity being ripped apart.

[kal]

Found some info here (my emphasis):

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In 1974 Stephen Hawking theorized that due to quantum effects, such primordial black holes could "evaporate" by a theoretical process now referred to as Hawking Radiation in which particles of matter would be emitted. Under this theory, the smaller the size of the micro black hole, the faster the evaporation rate, resulting in a sudden burst of particles as the micro black hole suddenly explodes. Searches[1] for such evaporating micro black holes are planned for the GLAST satellite to be launched in 2008, which will search for gamma ray bursts which should be associated with such evaporation. It is said that the Large Hadron Collider is able to produce one of these micro black holes, but this is highly unlikely due to the relatively small size of the collider. (It is theorized that to create a micro black hole with currently-available materials would require an circular accelerator roughly 1000 light years in diameter.

Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_black_holes

As far as I'm concerned, the article is just another one of those doomsayer "scientists" who's name is out of the spotlight and they need something to jump start their stalled career.

The massive potential for the LHC and what it can do for our current understanding of physics far outweighs the non-existant chance something terrible will happen. On a cosmic scale, the LHC is an incredebly tiny particle accelerator that deals with a handful of particles at a time. It isn't powerful enough to create anything 'dangerous'.

[mixedfarmer]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

mixedfarmer mixedfarmer:

I think they should stop . Why even try such a machine if there is any chance of starting a time bomb.

Why drive a car if there is even a remote possibility of death? Or stop flying because it may prove to end your life prematurely...

This is a new technology with an uncertain outcome. This is not the wright brothers trying to fly or henry ford using the assembly line. This is more along the lines of the first atomic bomb or nuclear reactor. I think more thought is needed than reading a wikipedia article.

[grainfedprairieboy]

I wish I was bright enough to fully comprehend and evaluate the threat or lack there of.

[mixedfarmer]

If they are so certain what will happen then they dont need to turn the machine on