[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Again.. you, you you.

Yep. I'd rather be offensive to a single person then spot anti-China racist garbage.

Where's the racism? Your going to need to prove that one.
You brought nothing to this thread but personal attacks.

That's because your first post was an attack on China's one child policy, a policy they have exceptions for, exceptions like death of a child (for the record you'd be crying if they were having large families anyway) and a dig at "socialist medicine" implying that as the reason for a doctors negligence.

My response was not a personal attack but to point out that, that kind of thing happens all the time in capitalist western medicine.

[CanadianJeff]

ridenrain ridenrain:

It's OK. They might get a soecial exemption from the state for a second child.. if they know someone in the party.

All hail socialist medicine.

What does a doctors negligence have to do with if the system is private or socialist. Doctors are negligent sometimes on both counts.

The system is not what killed this baby it's the doctors ignorance. At least blame the right party.

[CanadianJeff]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Gigs,

Whenever someone starts out their post by quoting what you directly say, then ignoring it and starting their reply with, "So what you're really saying is....", and then goes on to say something completely different, then you know they have no intention of honest discussion or debate.

It's called a very very weak straw-man argument. Basically taking a persons point and twisting it into a much harder point to defend that was never the original argument.

I know most of you know this but I had to point out the easier way to say it.

[Lemmy]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

What does a doctors negligence have to do with if the system is private or socialist. Doctors are negligent sometimes on both counts.

The system is not what killed this baby it's the doctors ignorance. At least blame the right party.

I just did a quick google search and there are THOUSANDS of case references for surgical malpractise. Lots of 'hits' in the USA, lots in Canada, not so many in Cuba or China.

[ridenrain]

The jab on the "One family-One child" policy was because of my familiarity with the earthquake lawsuit. They weren't allowed to sue the state but the state let them have another child. All hail the glorious communist party.

[Brenda]

Lemmy Lemmy:

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

What does a doctors negligence have to do with if the system is private or socialist. Doctors are negligent sometimes on both counts.

The system is not what killed this baby it's the doctors ignorance. At least blame the right party.

I just did a quick google search and there are THOUSANDS of case references for surgical malpractise. Lots of 'hits' in the USA, lots in Canada, not so many in Cuba or China.

Is that because of the way the media works or how health care works?
I think its media... Or more, the things they are ALLOWED to publish...

[DerbyX]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Gigs,

Whenever someone starts out their post by quoting what you directly say, then ignoring it and starting their reply with, "So what you're really saying is....", and then goes on to say something completely different, then you know they have no intention of honest discussion or debate.

It's called a very very weak straw-man argument. Basically taking a persons point and twisting it into a much harder point to defend that was never the original argument.

I know most of you know this but I had to point out the easier way to say it.

If only that was what I was trying to do but seeing as he was the person who made the comment that people were blaming the Conservatives and quoted me and my quote clearly was referencing the US medical system it cannot be said to have been a strawman arguement since I quoted what he said.

[Akhenaten]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Like yours claiming the poor maligned Conservatives were being falsely blamed?

That was a joke, remember? Said so yourself.

[CanadianJeff]

Brenda Brenda:

Lemmy Lemmy:

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

What does a doctors negligence have to do with if the system is private or socialist. Doctors are negligent sometimes on both counts.

The system is not what killed this baby it's the doctors ignorance. At least blame the right party.

I just did a quick google search and there are THOUSANDS of case references for surgical malpractise. Lots of 'hits' in the USA, lots in Canada, not so many in Cuba or China.

Is that because of the way the media works or how health care works?
I think its media... Or more, the things they are ALLOWED to publish...

beat me to the punch.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

The jab on the "One family-One child" policy was because of my familiarity with the earthquake lawsuit. They weren't allowed to sue the state but the state let them have another child. All hail the glorious communist party.

Sure because that never happens in the west.

[ridenrain]

They shouldn't be ashamed by a successful lawsuit and the proper application of justice though. Surely China has become open enough for that.

[DerbyX]

So Canada is perfect in its application of justice then? No complaints? No people being denied justice? No innocent people being charged, convicted, or tased?

Everything all candy and nuts here right?

Its not as if you have ever had to complain about corruption in our government. Not one word, at least not between 1993 and 2006 anyway.

[ridenrain]

What would you say if you were prevented from suing the state because faulty construction killed your kids? Be it Canada or China, those people should have been allowed justice.

[Lemmy]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

Brenda Brenda:

Is that because of the way the media works or how health care works?
I think its media... Or more, the things they are ALLOWED to publish...

beat me to the punch.

Good point. But my post contained TWO statements: 1. There are thousands of medical malpractise case references from the USA and Canada; 2. There aren't any from China or Cuba. I'll concur with your criticism of my point #2. I, therefore, retract that part of my original statement.

We're still left with the fact that a hell of a lot of malpractise happens in Canada and the USA. That was the point with which I was countering RR's statement about socialist healthcare.

[ridenrain]

I didn't follow that up because it really was just a throw away. To try and discredit the whole Chinese heath care system from this one example would be dumb. I agree that this can happen anywhere but as I said, what happens next will be more informative.