[N_Fiddledog]

Regina Regina:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

So you guys are out today chanting to the faithful about your 2/100s of a degree are you? Do you get black robes?

Hey don't lump me in with that. I'm just making fun of the fact you're posting scientific information that you have absolutely no comprehension of, and admit it.

The devastation of you're biting wit escapes me. I missed it. Too much cleverness, I guess.

So enlighten me then. If you say I don't comprehend something that must mean you do, right? So what is it you know about this subject that I don't?

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

The denial blogosphere is in full spin mode today!

Tell me again how it's us who relies on ad hominem.

But what the Hell, if you want to start it, of course, I'll play.

So you guys are out today chanting to the faithful about your 2/100s of a degree are you? Do you get black robes?

I don't think that's an ad hominem, myself. Just an observation checking on the various websites.

Right back at ya.

[N_Fiddledog]

bootlegga bootlegga:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Are we going to have another 10 page circle-jerk where non of you change your opinion and argue about the same shit you have over the last 5 years non-stop?

Yes, and in the spirit of childishness in which it began, "They started it".

Says the guy who has been postng news article on 'weather' and insinuating that a cold winter means climate change is a hoax...

Except I never said that, but I can show you one of yours posting an article on how there was a warm spell in the Maritimes before Christmas that he was calling evidence of something he incorrectly called climate.

Or to put it another way, he was like this...



So as I said to him and I will say again to any who will listen for the I don't know manyth time. If you show me warm weather and call it climate, I'll show you cold and call it weather.

[Jabberwalker]

Duuuh! If the globe is warming up ... duuuh






Why is it so COLD outside taday?

[BartSimpson]

Amazing how that works, eh? Cold in the winter and hot in the summer. These days it's called 'climate weirding'.

Used to be it was just a change of seasons and not something to argue about.

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

fifeboy fifeboy:

I make a statement indicating I find a blog, subtitled "our stringy universe from a conservative viewpoint" to be an odd place for information on anything other than one guy's opinion and you go all fiddledog on me?

Stop your whining. Don't start it and I won't have to finish it. It's as simple as that.

Well, I suppose it was too much to expect any action on the "get over yourself "front.

[andyt]

Hottest year on global record was Canada's coolest in 18 years
Despite that, the country was 0.1 C warmer than 'average

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/hotte ... -1.2912998

[Regina]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

The devastation of you're biting wit escapes me. I missed it. Too much cleverness, I guess.

That's weird because the way you worded that makes me think you've heard Bazzinga a number of times in this thread. My bad.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

So enlighten me then. If you say I don't comprehend something that must mean you do, right? So what is it you know about this subject that I don't?

No, the way I see it as you've expressed in your posts is like a ruler. At the 1" mark I see people who right or wrong have actually studied this subject and are paid. I see myself around the 6" mark with those who continue to read and evaluate current information and trends but are smart enough to know there is too much scientific data that only people educated in that field can understand and translate to the public. I now see you at the 12" mark which is apparently those on the internet and bloggers who think they know science but have no education. Who then determine whether those who are far more educated in the field are worthy of your approval.

[N_Fiddledog]

I see. So you can't actually offer up all this superior information you have that you claim others don't, because you're too busy carefully and quietly evaluating it. Is that it?

Those of us who might disagree can't actually know with what. We just have to accept that yours is the superior understanding of whatever it is, right?

Do you have a lot of luck impressing people with that one?

[N_Fiddledog]

Look, this is what I believe.

NASA/GISS is claiming this year is 2 one hundredths of a degree warmer than their last claimed warmest year of (I think it was) 2010.

The satellite temperature guys at UAH believe 2014 was the 3rd warmest year in the 30 year or so satellite record.

The other satellite temp guys at RSS believe 2014 was (I think) the 6th or 7th warmest year.

If what they call the climate pause has ended we're still waiting to hear a convincing argument on it.

Why would it be unreasonable to simply say, 'if I'm wrong, show me where'?

[Regina]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I see. So you can't actually offer up all this superior information you have that you claim others don't, because you're too busy carefully and quietly evaluating it. Is that it?

Those of us who might disagree can't actually know with what. We just have to accept that yours is the superior understanding of whatever it is, right?

Do you have lot of luck impressing people with that one?

I never said I would and trotted none out. You on the other hand admitted you had no clue but were happy to trot out the guy who "wrote" about it allot. I made no claims either way but was amused by your post, YouTube links and cartoons. As I said before, I don't care either way and am smart enough to know that you can find anything on the net to make a point. The way this circle jerk goes is that someone posts something then the other side Google the author for dirt to discredit their view. All the while possessing no education or ability to recognize the proper education or credentials of experts to begin with.
I assume you know what you're doing at your job in real life. How would you like someone to Google it then tell you that you're doing it wrong?

[Regina]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Look, this is what I believe.

NASA/GISS is claiming this year is 2 one hundredths of a degree warmer than their last claimed warmest year of (I think it was) 2010.

The satellite temperature guys at UAH believe 2014 was the 3rd warmest year in the 30 year or so satellite record.

The other satellite temp guys at RSS believe 2014 was (I think) the 6th or 7th warmest year.

If what they call the climate pause has ended we're still waiting to hear a convincing argument on it.

Why would it be unreasonable to simply say, 'if I'm wrong, show me where'?

Based on your submitted graph the temperature is trending up. It has been up and down but it is trending higher. As Zip stated the overall temperature last year was one of the higher temperatures recorded and this was more than unusual because there was no ElNino, which historically averages a higher temperature. Does it matter if it's the 3rd, 6th or 7th when the graph shows a trend up?

[N_Fiddledog]

You mean this one?



See how 2010 was the previous high? The difference there is 2 one hundredths of a degree between 2010 and 2014.

Now here's what Dr. Whitehouse said in the explanation.

$1:

In reality of course it is no record at all as the error of the measurements is about +/- 0.1 deg C showing NasaGiss’ statement to go against the normal treatment of observational data and its errors. Talk of a record is therefore scientifically and statistically meaningless.

http://www.thegwpf.com/2014-global-temp ... ther-year/

So he's saying you would need at least 1 tenth of a degree difference to have a statistically meaningful difference. There is only 2 100ths of a degree difference.

So when Zip says...

$1:

what is significant about 2014 being so warm

How warm?

2 one hundredths of a degree. That's how warm.

Is there any convincing reason to believe global temperatures can even be measured with that kind of accuracy?

Yes it was warm this year relative to the last thousand years. We're sitting on a peak.

But between 1998 and 2014, hundredths of a degree guesstimates are not a trend. We have been sitting in a climate pause for 17 to 18 years without any statistically significant rise in temperatures.

According to predictions of a supposedly inevitable global warming crisis, that wasn't supposed to happen. Nevertheless we continue to wait for the end of this climate pause that isn't supposed to exist.

Dr. Whitehouse's point is, even if you want to believe NASA/GISS (and the scientists who collect satellite temperatures suggest there's reason not to) it's a big so what.

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

You mean this one?



See how 2010 was the previous high? The difference there is 2 one hundredths of a degree between 2010 and 2014.

And the ten top hottest years have been since 1998. Pretty slim chance of that happening statistically.

Also worth noting that 2010 and 1998 were El Nino years. What['s remarkab;e about 2014 is that it was one of the hotest years in the last 150, wiht no El Nino.