[andyt]

If Hussein tried to invade SA, he would reap the whirlwind without the US lifting a finger. Of course after that the jihadis would be running SA - that seems to be why the US kisses SA ass. Not just about the oil, but the scumbag monarchy being better than the alternative.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The Europeans a few hundred years ago deported millions of Muslims and they can do it again if they're motivated enough to do it.

Not a country that would take them. Especially all the European born ones. It would also wreak havoc with Europe's rule of law. Probably doesn't bother you much as long as the right is running things.

Europe's rule of law is fast becoming irrelevant. And I suppose I'm the moderate here advocating for deportation because if that isn't going to happen then the mass slaughter of the Muslims will eventually become inevitable.

If it does, how many millions of them do you want Canada to take in?

[shockedcanadian]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

They had a similar problem in the UK with the IRA in the 70s and 80s.....they called them Americans.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Brits of today. But the Brits sowed a deep field of hatred in Ireland and they reaped an appropriate harvest.

You lost me here. You cannot rationalize a form of terror against innocents. The IRA were cowardly, just as these pieces of shyte are. Every Christmas in London the IRA would strike at shopping malls. You can force political change without mass murder. In America, protesting and political action changed voting rights and improved race relations. Simple discussion and political discourse can change peoples opinions.

I'm listening to the description provided by one reporter who is on the ground in Brussels, the stories are heartbreaking, disturbing and I won't even repeat here what some people described seeing in the aftermath.

If cowards want to attack innocent civilians than they will receive a response. All these attacks do is reinforce the commitment to locating these cowards and bringing them to justice.

[Thanos]

Let's not talk prematurely about Europeans finally waking up and putting the boot to these bastards to make them scurry back to where they came from. I was semi-hopefully after Paris because the French seemed genuinely pissed off, like that old spirit they had under Napoleon had finally come back. But then New Year's Eve happened in Germany, then all the feminists in Sweden coming out in support of rapists as long as they weren't white. At that stage I figured the Muslims could literally do anything they want in Europe and no one there will really ever do anything to stand up to them. Some might but the likes of Merkel wants them to be arrested and suppressed quicker than the ones who shot up the Bataclan because something something grandpa didn't behave very nicely back in World War Two.

Let me know when a functioning pair of balls can be sewn back on to a neutered housecat. When that happens then I'll believe that Europa Erwache has finally arrived.

[andyt]

Actually the IRA example seems like a good one. Follow the example of what the Brits did - they certainly didn't defeat the IRA militarily. The problem is that mainland Europe isn't co-ordianated enough. Security services aren't co-operating across borders, can't even agree on how to spell the suspects' names.

[martin14]

Thanos Thanos:

Let's not talk prematurely about Europeans finally waking up and putting the boot to these bastards to make them scurry back to where they came from. I was semi-hopefully after Paris because the French seemed genuinely pissed off, like that old spirit they had under Napoleon had finally come back. But then New Year's Eve happened in Germany, then all the feminists in Sweden coming out in support of rapists as long as they weren't white. At that stage I figured the Muslims could literally do anything they want in Europe and no one there will really ever do anything to stand up to them. Some might but the likes of Merkel wants them to be arrested and suppressed quicker than the ones who shot up the Bataclan because something something grandpa didn't behave very nicely back in World War Two.

Let me know when a functioning pair of balls can be sewn back on to a neutered housecat. When that happens then I'll believe that Europa Erwache has finally arrived.

I agree, that EU policy chief crying just shows how fucked Europe really is.

The wife is home from work.
Her colleague in Brussels had bags of stuff to take to work, so she took a cab.
Otherwise, she could have easily been in Maalbeek station.
The people I know are all ok.

[shockedcanadian]

martin14 martin14:

Thanos Thanos:

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I agree, that EU policy chief crying just shows how fucked Europe really is.

The wife is home from work.
Her colleague in Brussels had bags of stuff to take to work, so she took a cab.
Otherwise, she could have easily been in Maalbeek station.
The people I know are all ok.

In 2001 one of the co-workers on my sales team had a weekly call with a marketing representative from the U.S. This marketing representative was on one of the planes that went into the WTC. Even from that arms length distance it hits home, it saddened me and angered me to no end. Someone who works for the same company, someone a co-worker spoke with on a weekly basis. It affected the co-worker here in Canada immensely and she actually left work for an unrelated career after the experience.

This requires a multi-prong approach. Education, eliminating radicalization, embracing and encouraging moderates of religion, forcing those in the region to pick up arms and join the fight against these animals. Ultimately, as Rand Paul suggested, the vast bulk of the lifting has to come from the sources in the M.E. This requires far more than military action, no doubt about it.

[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

So what's to be done? Can't deport them.

Yes, you can. You simply have to be willing to do it.

The Europeans a few hundred years ago deported millions of Muslims and they can do it again if they're motivated enough to do it.

No you can't.
Can't deport you back to Ireland either, can we?
Same thing.

Europe created this problem in the 50's when we brought foreign workers in from Morroco and other countries to do the work we didnt want to do. And allowed them to stay when the work was done.
Can't deport people 3 generations later. They're Europeans. Belgians, in this case.

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

The people I know are all ok.

Good to hear.




A good write up as well:

$1:

Belgium is paying an incredibly high price for the calculations it made surrounding terrorism and fundamentalists, who over the past two years have built the network of safe houses and militants that are now bloodying the heart of Europe’s capital. It was completely mistaken to think that militant jihadists would give Belgium a reprieve in exchange for the tolerance and indifference that intelligence and secret services displayed when dealing with the neighborhood on the outskirts of Brussels, where terrorists recruited their soldiers and stockpiled weapons and explosives.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrea-pu ... &ir=Canada

[BartSimpson]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

You lost me here. You cannot rationalize a form of terror against innocents.

Yet the British committed no end of atrocities and acts of terror in Ireland against the Irish and the Scots-Irish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

$1:

Bloody Sunday – sometimes called the Bogside Massacre[1] – was an incident on 30 January 1972 in the Bogside area of Derry, Northern Ireland. British soldiers shot 26 unarmed civilians during a protest march against internment. Thirteen people died: thirteen were killed outright, while the death of another man four months later was attributed to his injuries. Many of the victims were shot while fleeing from the soldiers and some were shot while trying to help the wounded. Other protesters were injured by rubber bullets or batons, and two were run down by army vehicles.[2][3] The march had been organised by the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association and the Northern Resistance Movement.[4] The soldiers involved were members of the 1st Battalion, Parachute Regiment, also known as "1 Para".[5]

Two investigations have been held by the British government. The Widgery Tribunal, held in the immediate aftermath of the incident, largely cleared the soldiers and British authorities of blame. It described the soldiers' shooting as "bordering on the reckless", but accepted their claims that they shot at gunmen and bomb-throwers. The report was widely criticised as a "whitewash".[6][7][8] The Saville Inquiry, chaired by Lord Saville of Newdigate, was established in 1998 to reinvestigate the incident. Following a 12-year inquiry, Saville's report was made public in 2010 and concluded that the killings were both "unjustified" and "unjustifiable". It found that all of those shot were unarmed, that none were posing a serious threat, that no bombs were thrown, and that soldiers "knowingly put forward false accounts" to justify their firing.[9][10] On the publication of the report, British prime minister David Cameron made a formal apology on behalf of the United Kingdom.[11] Following this, police began a murder investigation into the killings.

Note that the Saville Inquiry by the British addressed the atrocity and caused an apology to be issued.

So, like I said, the Brits of today are just fine. But within my lifetime they were still murdering people and then getting what they gave. The Irish then fought back with what they had.

None of it was right. But some of it was necessary as it got us to where we are today.

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The Europeans a few hundred years ago deported millions of Muslims and they can do it again if they're motivated enough to do it.

Did the same thing with the Jooos, and that wasn't even 100 years ago. Turned out it was more efficient to just gas them instead.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Yes, you can (deport the Muslims). You simply have to be willing to do it.

The Europeans a few hundred years ago deported millions of Muslims and they can do it again if they're motivated enough to do it.

No you can't.
Can't deport you back to Ireland either, can we?

Given that I am legally entitled to Irish citizenship then there's a an argument for that possibility.

Brenda Brenda:

Europe created this problem in the 50's when we brought foreign workers in from Morroco and other countries to do the work we didnt want to do. And allowed them to stay when the work was done.
Can't deport people 3 generations later. They're Europeans. Belgians, in this case.

You're just not motivated enough yet. Maybe after a couple nuclear weapons go off in European cities then Europe will deport the Muslims. Or maybe a new European dictator will send the Muslims off 'to the east'.

I'm personally just hoping for deportation.

But if that doesn't happen then what comes after the failure to deport the Muslims should not surprise you.

[BartSimpson]

Lemmy Lemmy:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The Europeans a few hundred years ago deported millions of Muslims and they can do it again if they're motivated enough to do it.

Did the same thing with the Jooos, and that wasn't even 100 years ago. Turned out it was more efficient to just gas them instead.

And if deportation can't be accomplished then a desperate Europe might willingly and openly embrace this option as a last resort to save themselves from the Muslims.

Europeans are capable of some pretty amazing acts of depravity. You may not think so, but I do.

[martin14]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

In 2001 one of the co-workers

Yes, it's safe to say I've been pissed off most of the day, places I know
and used to use have been blown to hell by a gang of Islamofacists.

But don't think for one minute my posts are being influenced by my anger only today.

Islam isn't just a religion; it's politics as well, and that part is the most dangerous
thing infiltrating Europe today.



Think of it this way: Everything you talk of has been tried, in varying degrees, for decades.
It hasn't worked.

Time for some fresh thinking.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

martin14 martin14:

The people I know are all ok.

Good to hear.

Thanks, but it won't surprise me to hear a couple of the dead at Maalbeek worked for the Commission; the station is in the heart of the EU buildings in Brussels.

$1:

A good write up as well:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrea-pu ... &ir=Canada

Huffpo ain't never a good read.


Look, this problem is much deeper and a lot longer than 2 years;
Muslims have been coming to Belgium for 50 years already, and they have secluded themselves away in their holes.
Belgium has been a mess for also much longer than 2 years;
Petty fights with Brussels police, and more fighting between the Flemish and French have left Belgium an utter mess, both for government and security.


The huffpo links arent bad, you should read this to get a better perspective.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/world ... bbles.html


There is a way to fix Molenbeek, but the authorities will never do it.

Bart continues to hope the Euros will wake up; I have my doubts.



There is an official UK warning to stay away from Brussels for the next few days,
the US has had a 'stay and hide' order to all US citizens in Belgium all day now.

[BRAH]

Naivety Is Strong In The Left.