[BartSimpson]

Despite a disclaimer Reuters gives more fuel for Trump's fire:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cali ... SKCN1NJ1G6

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(Reuters) - With a tweet blaming California’s wildfires on “gross mismanagement of the forests,” President Donald Trump dismissed the role of climate change in the worsening blazes across the U.S. West - generating widespread derision in the Golden State.

Viewed on the surface as the latest shot by Republican Trump at a Democratic state that has repeatedly pushed against his administration’s policies, the tweet nevertheless shone a spotlight on California’s overgrown forests and their role in devastating fires.

In fact, few disagree that California’s increasingly dry and overgrown forests are, effectively, large-scale tinderboxes.

“California’s forests are reaching a breaking point,” the Little Hoover Commission, an independent state oversight agency, wrote in a report earlier this year.

The report outlined recommendations such as increased prescribed burning and dedicating more money and jobs toward forest management — measures the state is already adopting.

Trump in the past has blamed environmental regulations for fires in California and promoted tree clearing to stop blazes. Last week, he took to Twitter again, saying, “There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor.”

The president was pilloried by firefighters and California Governor Jerry Brown, whose spokesman called Trump “uninformed.”

Nearly 60 percent of California’s 33 million acres of forests are under federal control, Trump’s critics said, noting the importance of climate change in causing more frequent and destructive fires. With a warming climate, rising temperatures and an increase in dry conditions in already-dry areas lead to a higher likelihood of drought.

California does not stand alone. The U.S. Forest Service’s practice of fire suppression has been an issue across many Western states. Although the Forest Service had changed that practice in the 1970s, a massive fire in Yellowstone National Park in 1988 caused the practice of letting fires burn where possible to be scrolled back. In addition, various groups and researchers cite increased building of housing near forests that have resulted in the need to battle more blazes.

And not all wildfires are fueled by forests. The current Woolsey fire burning near Malibu in Southern California is being fueled by coastal chaparral.

LOGGING RESTRICTIONS

Yet the Little Hoover Commission report found poor management policies for the last century have left forests vulnerable to fires.

“The costs of long neglecting and mismanaging forests have become an unsustainable burden in California,” the report said.

(Beaver: this is highlighted for you)

Before Europeans settled in California, Native American fire practices, including periodic low-intensity fires, helped renew forests and kept them from becoming too dense. Policies of aggressively fighting every fire, however, have resulted in the loss of that natural thinning.

In addition, federal and state restrictions on logging caused timber harvesting in California to decline more than 70 percent between the late 1980s and 2012, according to a U.S. Forest Service report.

Trees in federal forests where timber harvesting is prohibited have high mortality rates from wildfire, and dying trees currently outpace new growth, according to a report by the California Air Resources Board (CARB).

“When John Muir arrived and discovered Yosemite we had about 40 trees to an acre. Today we have hundreds of trees to an acre,” said Rich Gordon, president of the California Forestry Association, an industry group. “We will be better off if we can get closer to the way our forests once were.”

CARB, which oversees the state’s aggressive climate change regulations, has estimated that 15 million acres, or nearly half of the state’s forestlands, were in need of restoration. If left to languish, the forests could become a source of overall greenhouse gas emissions by burning rather than a means to draw carbon from the atmosphere, CARB said.

[BartSimpson]

@Beaver here's the State's 'Little Hoover Commission' (read: official) report that was referenced in the above article. Note I am just posting the overview since the whole document is pretty big.

https://lhc.ca.gov/report/fire-mountain ... rra-nevada

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Overview

In this report, the Commission calls for transformational culture change in its forest management practices. The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) reported in December 2017 that approximately 27 million trees had died statewide on federal, state and private lands since November 2016. The tally brought to 129 million the number of trees that have died in California forests during years of drought and bark beetle infestations since 2010.

During its review, the Commission found that California’s forests suffer from neglect and mismanagement, resulting in overcrowding that leaves them susceptible to disease, insects and wildfire. The Commission found commitment to long-lasting forest management changes at the highest levels of government, but that support for those changes needs to spread down not just through the state’s massive bureaucracy and law- and policymaking apparatuses, but among the general public as well. Complicating the management problem is the fact that the State of California owns very few of the forests within its borders – most are owned by the federal government or private landowners.

Among the Commission’s nine recommendations, it urges the state to take a greater leadership role in collaborative forest management planning at the watershed level. The Good Neighbor Authority granted in the 2014 Farm Bill provides a mechanism for the state to conduct restoration activities on federal land, but state agencies must have the financial and personnel resources to perform this work. As part of this collaborative effort, it calls upon the state to use more prescribed fire to reinvigorate forests, inhibit firestorms and help protect air and water quality. Central to these efforts must be a statewide public education campaign to help Californians understand why healthy forests matter to them, and elicit buy-in for the much-needed forest treatments.

[llama66]

I hope for a swift end to this, and I hope for a speedy recovery for the state of California.

[BartSimpson]

llama66 llama66:

I hope for a swift end to this, and I hope for a speedy recovery for the state of California.

We just elected Gavin "I love mirrors" Newsom as our next governor and we also elected a supermajority of liberal Democrats to the state legislature.

We're doomed.

[BartSimpson]

Update: We have people leaving work because the smoke is in the building. And we're about 80 miles away from the fires.

Death toll is now fifty.

[DrCaleb]

California electrical company stock plunges after revealing possible link to devastating wildfire

[llama66]

You're wearing your fullface H-6105 mask and Tyvek coveralls like I told you to, right? Sorry. Not funny. Be safe, those fumes will fuck you up...

[DrCaleb]

llama66 llama66:

You're wearing your fullface H-6105 mask and Tyvek coveralls like I told you to, right? Sorry. Not funny. Be safe, those fumes will fuck you up...

^^^

He's not kidding.

At least go to a hardware store, and get a cheap respirator out of the paint section. Better than nothing.

[BartSimpson]

This morning it's starting to look worse than I thought.

There's fifty-nine people confirmed dead now and the number of missing has increased to over three hundred.

More than eight thousand homes have been lost.

Friends of ours are taking in a family of eight from Magalia who lost everything. Their kids are close friends in the Army and that sums up the response right there.

The smoke here is hideous and as I've said before we're eighty miles away. Still can't see downtown from here and it's no more than three miles away. My eyes are killing me.

Lots of schools are closed. Most colleges and universities in the area are closed due to the air as well.

I left work yesterday to go help get a shelter set up at a closed warehouse in town and will be back there again tonight.

This is likely going to continue for another week or more.

[llama66]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

This morning it's starting to look worse than I thought.

There's fifty-nine people confirmed dead now and the number of missing has increased to over three hundred.

More than eight thousand homes have been lost.

Friends of ours are taking in a family of eight from Magalia who lost everything. Their kids are close friends in the Army and that sums up the response right there.

The smoke here is hideous and as I've said before we're eighty miles away. Still can't see downtown from here and it's no more than three miles away. My eyes are killing me.

Lots of schools are closed. Most colleges and universities in the area are closed due to the air as well.

I left work yesterday to go help get a shelter set up at a closed warehouse in town and will be back there again tonight.

This is likely going to continue for another week or more.

I was half kidding about a H-6105 full face mask, get something.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007JZ1LG6/re ... il_0?psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CPNT6XD/re ... b226b16295

It may look stupid, but at least you wont choke or be blinded by the smoke. I smoke and that shit fucked me right up. Like smoking a carton a day. I can only imagine the wonders its doing for pulmonary system.

[llama66]

I should add I sounded like 65 year old chain smoking truck-stop waitress from new jersey for 3 weeks after the smoke.

[BartSimpson]

I'm using disposable masks for right now without eye protection simply because I don't want to scare the shit out of any of the kids I come across.

Also, I'd feel like a shitheel if I was wearing exceptional protection when other people have nothing...I'd just end up giving the damn thing away.

[llama66]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I'm using disposable masks for right now without eye protection simply because I don't want to scare the shit out of any of the kids I come across.

Also, I'd feel like a shitheel if I was wearing exceptional protection when other people have nothing...I'd just end up giving the damn thing away.

Damn you. I want to make a childish sarcastic comment but I respect your point. This is bullshit. *Flips Table*

[BartSimpson]

[BeaverFever]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Despite a disclaimer Reuters gives more fuel for Trump's fire:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cali ... SKCN1NJ1G6

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(Reuters) - With a tweet blaming California’s wildfires on “gross mismanagement of the forests,” President Donald Trump dismissed the role of climate change in the worsening blazes across the U.S. West - generating widespread derision in the Golden State.

Viewed on the surface as the latest shot by Republican Trump at a Democratic state that has repeatedly pushed against his administration’s policies, the tweet nevertheless shone a spotlight on California’s overgrown forests and their role in devastating fires.

In fact, few disagree that California’s increasingly dry and overgrown forests are, effectively, large-scale tinderboxes.

“California’s forests are reaching a breaking point,” the Little Hoover Commission, an independent state oversight agency, wrote in a report earlier this year.

The report outlined recommendations such as increased prescribed burning and dedicating more money and jobs toward forest management — measures the state is already adopting.

Trump in the past has blamed environmental regulations for fires in California and promoted tree clearing to stop blazes. Last week, he took to Twitter again, saying, “There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor.”

The president was pilloried by firefighters and California Governor Jerry Brown, whose spokesman called Trump “uninformed.”

Nearly 60 percent of California’s 33 million acres of forests are under federal control, Trump’s critics said, noting the importance of climate change in causing more frequent and destructive fires. With a warming climate, rising temperatures and an increase in dry conditions in already-dry areas lead to a higher likelihood of drought.

California does not stand alone. The U.S. Forest Service’s practice of fire suppression has been an issue across many Western states. Although the Forest Service had changed that practice in the 1970s, a massive fire in Yellowstone National Park in 1988 caused the practice of letting fires burn where possible to be scrolled back. In addition, various groups and researchers cite increased building of housing near forests that have resulted in the need to battle more blazes.

And not all wildfires are fueled by forests. The current Woolsey fire burning near Malibu in Southern California is being fueled by coastal chaparral.

LOGGING RESTRICTIONS

Yet the Little Hoover Commission report found poor management policies for the last century have left forests vulnerable to fires.

“The costs of long neglecting and mismanaging forests have become an unsustainable burden in California,” the report said.

(Beaver: this is highlighted for you)

Before Europeans settled in California, Native American fire practices, including periodic low-intensity fires, helped renew forests and kept them from becoming too dense. Policies of aggressively fighting every fire, however, have resulted in the loss of that natural thinning.

In addition, federal and state restrictions on logging caused timber harvesting in California to decline more than 70 percent between the late 1980s and 2012, according to a U.S. Forest Service report.

Trees in federal forests where timber harvesting is prohibited have high mortality rates from wildfire, and dying trees currently outpace new growth, according to a report by the California Air Resources Board (CARB).

“When John Muir arrived and discovered Yosemite we had about 40 trees to an acre. Today we have hundreds of trees to an acre,” said Rich Gordon, president of the California Forestry Association, an industry group. “We will be better off if we can get closer to the way our forests once were.”

CARB, which oversees the state’s aggressive climate change regulations, has estimated that 15 million acres, or nearly half of the state’s forestlands, were in need of restoration. If left to languish, the forests could become a source of overall greenhouse gas emissions by burning rather than a means to draw carbon from the atmosphere, CARB said.

What you’ve posted has nothing to with Trump’s lies that the styof California is at fault and I have no idea shy you highlighted the part about First Nations people. Naturally you ignored everything I posted last.

I SAY AGAIN :

1) The majority of land currently burning is not managed by the state of California

2) The majority of labd burning is not forest

3) California doesn’t manage its forests any differently than aby other North American jurisdiction

Climate change and human activity are to blame

FULL STOP

There has always been discussion and debate within the firefighting and forestry sciences about when to conduct controlled burns or allow natural fires but Trump is trying to use and distort that to attack Democrats, and to deflect blame from climate change and human activity.