[EyeBrock]

OldChum OldChum:

Tax free on the reserve only and treaty Indian only and did I not tell you to check STATS CANADA . And Iam not siding with any one Iam just trying to say that there are 2 sides to every story and you do not sound like you know both. You have a preconceived idea that you do , listen to their side and you might feel differently. At one time I felt like you till I did some looking into our actions in this country. So whatever but insults and talking down are not going to solve fuck.

I'm well aware of the other side to this story. All Canadians should get equal treatment.
What the natives get now is above and beyond what other Canadians get, free university, tax free income if you live on a reserve. The apparent ability to ignore the government's laws and take cheques from the very same government.

I'm also opposed to the special treatment Quebec gets. Both groups sit and whine about how tough they had it or have it and get an inordinate amount of dollars thrown at them, dollars that nobody else gets.

It's time this silliness stopped.

[ASLplease]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

OldChum OldChum:

Tax free on the reserve only and treaty Indian only and did I not tell you to check STATS CANADA . And Iam not siding with any one Iam just trying to say that there are 2 sides to every story and you do not sound like you know both. You have a preconceived idea that you do , listen to their side and you might feel differently. At one time I felt like you till I did some looking into our actions in this country. So whatever but insults and talking down are not going to solve fuck.

I'm well aware of the other side to this story. All Canadians should get equal treatment.
What the natives get now is above and beyond what other Canadians get, free university, tax free income if you live on a reserve. The apparent ability to ignore the government's laws and take cheques from the very same government.

I'm also opposed to the special treatment Quebec gets. Both groups sit and whine about how tough they had it or have it and get an inordinate amount of dollars thrown at them, dollars that nobody else gets.

It's time this silliness stopped.

Not only that, but there seems to be no boundaries that they won't cross when they protest. Why can't the chiefs and the Canadian government sit down and create a plan to control some of the bs that goes on?

[OldChum]

Look it up it is there Stats Canada and the Status Of Immigrant grants which pay immigrants more then we pay our seniors . You have to do a bit of looking but that is the fun of it .
Did you also know that we spend more on French lessons for the Civil service then on Native Languages. As I have said look it up I do not have the links to give you nor the time to find it again. I have no agenda and really do not like being talked down to by you . You are unwilling to allow some one else to have their view even though you do not agree with it
I have done alot of research into this and have found all the facts I need to have , some how you never seem to post your,s either . Some time when I have the time I will find them for you cause I do not want you to think for a minute that you are as smart as you think you are .

[Gunnair]

OldChum OldChum:

Look it up it is there Stats Canada and the Status Of Immigrant grants which pay immigrants more then we pay our seniors . You have to do a bit of looking but that is the fun of it .
Did you also know that we spend more on French lessons for the Civil service then on Native Languages. As I have said look it up I do not have the links to give you nor the time to find it again. I have no agenda and really do not like being talked down to by you . You are unwilling to allow some one else to have their view even though you do not agree with it
I have done alot of research into this and have found all the facts I need to have , some how you never seem to post your,s either . Some time when I have the time I will find them for you cause I do not want you to think for a minute that you are as smart as you think you are .

Oh... okay.

More, I-have-facts-and-links-but-I-don't-feel-like-posting-them arguments.

[llama66]

So what is it you'd like to see happen Old Chum? should we let the natives be? let them do what ever they wish? Its time for this nation to push back and if there is a bit of a civil war, isn't that good? The Tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants, from time to time. perhaps its the American in me but I'm really fed up the actions of some members of the native community. It time we threw them out into the cold to stand on their own two feet, its time we popped our collective titties out of their mouths and planted our collective feet in their asses. I don't care about government expenditures on native programs, I care that we are bending over backwards to cater to a community that acts without recourse. They act like WE were the ones who stole their lands, when in reality some of those people haven't been alive for 300 years. I don't care about their language programs, I care that they can invade peoples homes in Caledonia and deprive people of their property, I care that that a Federal Border Crossing was intimidated into closing by a band of thugs, I care that provincial parks have been occupied, cops have been shot, commerce has been disrupted, people have been beaten the list goes on, and all this happens without consequence, is part of that the government's fault? absolutely. But I'd also say its also the native community's fault. Repeal the Indian Act, make them pay taxes, make them pay for school, make them pay THEIR OWN way, and rule all their land claims are moot, and excersise imminent domain and take the reserves and force them to move into the cities, the rest of us assimilated into Canadian Society, so can they. /end rant

[Scape]

The more stuff like this happens the more and more it looks like there should be checkpoints set up outside all native reserves. Let's face it a carton of cigs is up to $90 and the natives peddle them for $20 and are 'value-added' with hash or Mj. Hell, even New york state suggested taxing the contraband because the volume was so high (thus making it legal btw).

Moving border markers is a crude way to evade containment and should be seen as such. The Mohawks are like the Kurds in Iraq, an ethnic people without a country but with enough political clout that can not be denied. Something will have to give and it may be that the Canadian taxpayer will have to set up checkpoints around every reserve in order to tax, inspect and block contraband coming of the reserves that are fueling the underground economy.

[EyeBrock]

OldChum OldChum:

Look it up it is there Stats Canada and the Status Of Immigrant grants which pay immigrants more then we pay our seniors . You have to do a bit of looking but that is the fun of it .
Did you also know that we spend more on French lessons for the Civil service then on Native Languages. As I have said look it up I do not have the links to give you nor the time to find it again. I have no agenda and really do not like being talked down to by you . You are unwilling to allow some one else to have their view even though you do not agree with it
I have done alot of research into this and have found all the facts I need to have , some how you never seem to post your,s either . Some time when I have the time I will find them for you cause I do not want you to think for a minute that you are as smart as you think you are .

So unable to articulate a response then eh?

[Donny_Brasco]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

What the natives get now is above and beyond what other Canadians get, free university, tax free income if you live on a reserve. The apparent ability to ignore the government's laws and take cheques from the very same government.

I suppose you know that the exchange was education for land under treaty.

And you don't get tax free income just for living on a reserve. You can get tax free income if you are a Status Indian working on a reserve.

If you are opposed to upholding the Treaties and other agreements that the Crown signed on your behalf then I am not opposed to taking any sort of action to re-coup what is ours.

It would seem that with all the civilisation and advancements and technology that you quickly throw in our faces, you are incapable of making promises you intend to keep.

The problem is you seem to be very NOW centered and lack the insight to look a few generations forward and a few generations backward. The Treaties were signed by your people thinking in the NOW, with no thought as to how to repay those debts to us in the future. Our grandfathers made sure that the Treaties would be their legacy and that me and my children and their children's children would benefit from them agreeing to share our territory with you.

Unfortunately sharing is another trait that you folks commonly forget the meaning of. Canada makes millions and billions from the resources it harvests from the land that we agree to share with you. But yet when it comes to paying for the Treaty promises you make us feel like we are stealing what is already ours.

You may wish that the Treaties were scrapped and the promises that your forefathers made to us forgotten.

Unfortunately for you these agreements are between two parties. You cannot unilaterally change these agreements on a whim just because you are ignorant to the true history of our country, as Canadian and international laws govern such agreements.

Call me a revisionist if you wish, but you will quickly find yourselves in court with lawsuits up your ass - and frankly many people ignorant like yourself have suggested scrapping the treaties before. Buyer’s remorse does not allow you to stop payment on a car you bought or a house you have a mortgage on.

Most Canadians are honourable and understand that there obligations under Treaty. Forums like this are cesspools for the ignorant fringes of white Canada where promises mean nothing and natives, immigrants, French, gays and anything that is not the status quo is shunned and ridiculed. For them a treaty with the Natives is incomprehensible because they think that with all their education and technology they should have been able to take what they wanted without having to pay for it.

Funny how you demand that Natives follow your laws, but you are willing to ignore those very same laws when it suits your own purposes.

We are not going away, and I support any First Nation that stands up, right or wrong, to hold Canada accountable. Mohawk included.

[EyeBrock]

Yawn.

[BartSimpson]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

We are not going away, and I support any First Nation that stands up, right or wrong, to hold Canada accountable.

And when you mucks start messing with border markers you involve the United States. You'll find that we are not nearly so tolerant of this BS as are our Canadian cousins. You'll keep that crap on the northern side of the border if you know what's good for you. You jerks invade people's homes down here and there will be blood.

[uwish]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Yea, he did the right thing.
Letting natives getting away with breaking the law is always 'the right thing'.

Well the Canadian's history of doing the right thing when it comes to us Natives is pretty poor.

yeah, and your completely blaimless in this fiasco right?

[gonavy47]

Me? I'm just an ignorant white fringer, I suppose. But I know a racist when I hear one, Donny Brasco.

[BartSimpson]

gonavy47 gonavy47:

Me? I'm just an ignorant white fringer, I suppose. But I know a racist when I hear one, Donny Brasco.

+1

[uwish]

my comment was directed at Donny

[Donny_Brasco]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

We are not going away, and I support any First Nation that stands up, right or wrong, to hold Canada accountable.

And when you mucks start messing with border markers you involve the United States. You'll find that we are not nearly so tolerant of this BS as are our Canadian cousins. You'll keep that crap on the northern side of the border if you know what's good for you. You jerks invade people's homes down here and there will be blood.

Quite honestly, since the Americans have treated the modern day Native Americans much better than the Canadians, I don't expect much of the same from down there.