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BartSimpson BartSimpson:

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Notice how there's never any mention of penalizing anyone who hires undocumented workers, as if supply exists without demand.

These laws are really vile, and this "blame the 'legals" mentality is so ass-backwards you just want to shake these people and break them out of this ugly cult they've gotten wrapped up in.

I heard Arizona Congressman Grijalva on the TV yesterday, who is going to call of a boycott of major events (conventions, expos, etc.) in Arizona if these Nazi laws get passed.

Yeah, God forbid a country should want to control its borders. Only the Nazis would dream of that.

"Good fences make good neighbors." Yes, Bart the US should build a fence along the southern border first.

Stop the flow of illegal immigration and drugs.

Then, push for jail terms for those who hire illegals, and ENFORCE IT.

I would also like to see the USA and International communities force the Mexican government to take responsibility too. I mean, force them to raise wages, forgive some of their debt to help their economy..

But to attack the illegal immigrant, most of which have nothing, risk their lives to come to the United States... who would do that... someone very desperate...

[angler57]

Illegal Alien is Illegal.
Drug smugglers are law breakers.
Kidnappers are law breakers.
Arizona is a front door for illeals.
If an illegal rents a nice house in a good neighborhood and a few days later 22 cars are parked in the front yard and people are sleeping and working in shifts.
Lets hope they live next door to you.
And when a family member from another country cannot enter the country because an illegal crowds them out, thats your problem.
Profiling.
Lets search a little ole black lady in a wheel chair.
And what about checking out all those Canadians sneaking in across our northern border?
All this is just something to consider before forming an opinion.

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angler57 angler57:

Illegal Alien is Illegal.
Drug smugglers are law breakers.
Kidnappers are law breakers.
Arizona is a front door for illeals.
If an illegal rents a nice house in a good neighborhood and a few days later 22 cars are parked in the front yard and people are sleeping and working in shifts.
Lets hope they live next door to you.
And when a family member from another country cannot enter the country because an illegal crowds them out, thats your problem.
Profiling.
Lets search a little ole black lady in a wheel chair.
And what about checking out all those Canadians sneaking in across our northern border?
All this is just something to consider before forming an opinion.

oh Friday night man, this shit is good.

[Bruce_the_vii]

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But to attack the illegal immigrant, most of which have nothing, risk their lives to come to the United States... who would do that... someone very desperate...

In fact that's the attitude. And it's here in Canada as well. Immigrants are considered poor and vulnerable and that they should be given consideration. So in the 1990's there was this awful fiscal deficit and health, education and welfare were cut but immigration was increased. It became a national priority. As a result child poverty in Toronto arched up to 37% in 1997 and is now at 32%. You have to watch what you wish for.

[EyeBrock]

This is an example of what can go wrong when a country ignores it's citizens views on a subject, in this case illegal immigration, because it's 'too hard to do'. Obama was on TV saying;

"We've gone though a very tough year and I've been working Congress very hard, so I know there may not be an appetite immediately to dive into another controversial issue," the president told reporters aboard Air Force One returning with him to Washington from a Midwest trip.

If you ignore a raging issue long enough, and illegal Mexican immigration really is a very large issue to most people outside the US ruling classes, things like this Arizona bill will come to pass.

For too long mainstream politics has been dictated by political correctness.

Deal with the tough issues, or the 'people' will deal with it in their own way.

Sacred cows and taboos just encourage the bigots to shout louder.

[andyt]

MY understanding is that the Obama/Democrats plan to put immigration front and center as the issue you're focusing on, so your quote is taken out of context. This is a win for the Democrats, because they can marginalize the Repubs with Latino voters, or their own base if the Repubs actually go for immigration reform. Unfortunately the Democratic position on illegal immigration is another amnesty and basically making illegal immigration legal - ie opening the flood gates further. The one thing that's helped reduce illegal immigration is the recession, as less people come over in the first place, and some leave because they have a better chance in Mexico now.

The Republicans had their chance to reform immigration their way when GWB was in power and they held congress as well. But unfortunately GWB also favored liberalizing immigration.

[EyeBrock]

andy, have you been to the US recently?

This Mexican illegal immigration issue is a real grass-roots issue that is being ignored.

[Bruce_the_vii]

Andyt, the Centre for Immigration Studies polled immigrants attitude toward immigration and they are not infavour. There is no immigrant vote for an amnesty or anything. It makes sense, immigrants are not well established in the country and tend to be poor so they don't need the competition of more newcomers. However the fat cat Democrats in Congress haven't the wit to figure that out. You can see these things unfolding by watch the news.

I work with immigrants making minimum wage. I didn't have to read a poll to figure out they were under the gone and thought the door was too wide open.

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Bruce_the_vii Bruce_the_vii:

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But to attack the illegal immigrant, most of which have nothing, risk their lives to come to the United States... who would do that... someone very desperate...

In fact that's the attitude. And it's here in Canada as well. Immigrants are considered poor and vulnerable and that they should be given consideration. So in the 1990's there was this awful fiscal deficit and health, education and welfare were cut but immigration was increased. It became a national priority. As a result child poverty in Toronto arched up to 37% in 1997 and is now at 32%. You have to watch what you wish for.

...and where are your stats that this has been caused by immigration, or "illegal immigration" at that?

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EyeBrock EyeBrock:

This is an example of what can go wrong when a country ignores it's citizens views on a subject, in this case illegal immigration, because it's 'too hard to do'. Obama was on TV saying;

"We've gone though a very tough year and I've been working Congress very hard, so I know there may not be an appetite immediately to dive into another controversial issue," the president told reporters aboard Air Force One returning with him to Washington from a Midwest trip.

If you ignore a raging issue long enough, and illegal Mexican immigration really is a very large issue to most people outside the US ruling classes, things like this Arizona bill will come to pass.

For too long mainstream politics has been dictated by political correctness.

Deal with the tough issues, or the 'people' will deal with it in their own way.

Sacred cows and taboos just encourage the bigots to shout louder.

You know I was not a fan of Obama, but you reall have to give the man credit even if you don't believe 100% in his ideas... the man is taking on the tough issues, rather than looking at the polls to decide his next move.

[andyt]

Bruce_the_vii Bruce_the_vii:

Andyt, the Centre for Immigration Studies polled immigrants attitude toward immigration and they are not infavour. There is no immigrant vote for an amnesty or anything. It makes sense, immigrants are not well established in the country and tend to be poor so they don't need the competition of more newcomers. However the fat cat Democrats in Congress haven't the wit to figure that out. You can see these things unfolding by watch the news.

I work with immigrants making minimum wage. I didn't have to read a poll to figure out they were under the gone and thought the door was too wide open.

Take a look at who in Arizona is speaking out against this law - Hispanics. They wouldn't do it if they didn't have a constituency. I doubt the Democrats are really as stupid as you say - they know a good vote getter when they see one.

[andyt]

And again - if either Repubs or Dems were serious about stopping illegal immigration, they would go after the people who employ them. This law is just grandstanding to a particular base, most of whom probably employ illegals themselves, either directly or indirectly.

[EyeBrock]

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EyeBrock EyeBrock:

This is an example of what can go wrong when a country ignores it's citizens views on a subject, in this case illegal immigration, because it's 'too hard to do'. Obama was on TV saying;

"We've gone though a very tough year and I've been working Congress very hard, so I know there may not be an appetite immediately to dive into another controversial issue," the president told reporters aboard Air Force One returning with him to Washington from a Midwest trip.

If you ignore a raging issue long enough, and illegal Mexican immigration really is a very large issue to most people outside the US ruling classes, things like this Arizona bill will come to pass.

For too long mainstream politics has been dictated by political correctness.

Deal with the tough issues, or the 'people' will deal with it in their own way.

Sacred cows and taboos just encourage the bigots to shout louder.

You know I was not a fan of Obama, but you reall have to give the man credit even if you don't believe 100% in his ideas... the man is taking on the tough issues, rather than looking at the polls to decide his next move.

He's not dealing with immigration. No western country has leaders willing to deal with immigration.

It's too much for any of them to handle. Obama going on about leaving tough issues etc. Utter bollocks.

The US can muster a million men to invade a country but can't defend it's own borders from people entering illegally. Because it doesn't have the will to deal with issues that the proles have to deal with.

It doesn't stop the US Border Guards from treating me like a piece of shite at the Lewiston Bridge crossing into New York though. As thousands run across the US border with Mexico.

It makes more sense to give me a hard time as I fly out of Buffalo airport than stopping the flood of illegals.


Misplaced priorities.

[Bruce_the_vii]

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Bruce_the_vii Bruce_the_vii:

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But to attack the illegal immigrant, most of which have nothing, risk their lives to come to the United States... who would do that... someone very desperate...

In fact that's the attitude. And it's here in Canada as well. Immigrants are considered poor and vulnerable and that they should be given consideration. So in the 1990's there was this awful fiscal deficit and health, education and welfare were cut but immigration was increased. It became a national priority. As a result child poverty in Toronto arched up to 37% in 1997 and is now at 32%. You have to watch what you wish for.

...and where are your stats that this has been caused by immigration, or "illegal immigration" at that?

Normally an economy grows upward, to better jobs but in Toronto the population pressure has surpessed this. Alberta out grew it's population and is in much better shape. The Toronto area got 1.5 million immigrants since 1990 and didn't properly absorb them. So that's sort of the data.

[Bruce_the_vii]

andyt andyt:

And again - if either Repubs or Dems were serious about stopping illegal immigration, they would go after the people who employ them. This law is just grandstanding to a particular base, most of whom probably employ illegals themselves, either directly or indirectly.

The Congress has always encouraged illegal immigration, it's their baby.