[2Cdo]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

So, it's clear then--contrary to your uninformed claim--that a Taser is advertised as non-lethal.

Man, you really set yourself up for that one. Best thing for you to do now is walk away with what little is left of your dignity. Thanks for showing up though.

Wow I guess you will just disregard the rest of my post about no weapon being non-lethal. Fine, the company advertised it as non-lethal, but anyone with any knowledge of weapons would realise that there is no such thing.

Contrary to your little dig about dignity. I still have plenty and I can acknowledge when I'm wrong but if it makes you feel good about yourself, feel free to gloat.

[Zipperfish]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Wow I guess you will just disregard the rest of my post about no weapon being non-lethal. Fine, the company advertised it as non-lethal, but anyone with any knowledge of weapons would realise that there is no such thing.

Contrary to your little dig about dignity. I still have plenty and I can acknowledge when I'm wrong but if it makes you feel good about yourself, feel free to gloat.

Well, I think what we both agree upon is that I'm right and you're wrong--and really, that's the important thing to remember here.

One of the best things I like about me--and there are many--is that I am too big a man to gloat. You won't find me rubbing it in about this being the intellectual equivalent of George McFly stepping into the ring with Mike Tyson, or boasting how I yet again wiped the floor with the strident rhetoric that somehow passess for intelligent comment in your books. Not me.

No, I am a humble man, at heart. Overflowing with humbility--that's me. So even though I am clearly the victor here--and you are my defeated conquest--rather than gloat, I'll offer you a gem of my limitless wisdom. And it is this:

Before you claim that everyone else is uninformed, make sure that you are, actually, informed.

OK, go get 'em, tiger!

[Choban]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Choban Choban:

The 14-page study found Tasers "scored high" in safety for both suspects and officers in Calgary. Though they were used in nearly half of all cases involving suspects resisting arrest, one per cent ended up hospitalized and 87 per cent sustained either minor injuries or no injuries, according to the report.

Batons, on the other hand, used in roughly five per cent of arrests that required force, caused the greatest rate of higher-level injury. More than 39 per cent of subjects were injured. More than three per cent were hospitalized and nearly 26 per cent required outpatient treatment.

"The commonly held belief" that Tasers carry "a significant risk of injury or death . . . is not supported by the data," according to the report, researched by Dr. Christine Hall and Calgary use-of-force expert Staff Sgt. Chris Butler. The stun guns are "less injurious than either the baton or empty-hand physical control."

Great, Tasers carry a smaller injury rate. What are the death rates? I'd rather get my arm broken by a baton than get dead from a taser.

The study will be published in August and I'm sure we will find that they included mortality rates and incidences of death (as the reason the study was conducted in the first place). My point is that for all the people who want to ban taser use is this. Gunshots from police officers are fatal, if we ban the use of tasers police will use their guns, they are trained to aim for center mass (torso). The sad state of affairs in our country is that criminals are portrayed as victims, when if they did not break the law in the first place they would not find themselves in these situations.
How come the families of criminals only speak out against the police, why do they not stand up and speak out against their criminal family members so these things do not happen.

[hurley_108]

Choban Choban:

The study will be published in August and I'm sure we will find that they included mortality rates and incidences of death (as the reason the study was conducted in the first place). My point is that for all the people who want to ban taser use is this. Gunshots from police officers are fatal, if we ban the use of tasers police will use their guns, they are trained to aim for center mass (torso).

Some police are reaching for their tasers instead of their guns, yes, but a lot seem to be reaching for their tasers instead of other even less lethal measures.

$1:

The sad state of affairs in our country is that criminals are portrayed as victims, when if they did not break the law in the first place they would not find themselves in these situations.
How come the families of criminals only speak out against the police, why do they not stand up and speak out against their criminal family members so these things do not happen.

They're not all criminals. What crime had Dziekanski committed? None at all.

Even those that have broken laws do not deserve the death penalty on the spot. They are victims. It's not one or the other. A person can be both.

[Scape]

A 16-year old boy was tasered by the police, up to 19 times, after he had fallen and was on the ground with a broken back and a broken heel.

Also, Man was Tasered while in Police Custody & Never made it to Booking

$1:

Police told his family he was hit by a taser, and fell. But family members said that doesn't explain why he suffered internal bleeding and had to be put on life support.

And a follow up to my previous post about the guy tasered nine times to death:Taser death case heads to grand jury

[Choban]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Choban Choban:

The study will be published in August and I'm sure we will find that they included mortality rates and incidences of death (as the reason the study was conducted in the first place). My point is that for all the people who want to ban taser use is this. Gunshots from police officers are fatal, if we ban the use of tasers police will use their guns, they are trained to aim for center mass (torso).

Some police are reaching for their tasers instead of their guns, yes, but a lot seem to be reaching for their tasers instead of other even less lethal measures.

$1:

The sad state of affairs in our country is that criminals are portrayed as victims, when if they did not break the law in the first place they would not find themselves in these situations.
How come the families of criminals only speak out against the police, why do they not stand up and speak out against their criminal family members so these things do not happen.

They're not all criminals. What crime had Dziekanski committed? None at all.

Even those that have broken laws do not deserve the death penalty on the spot. They are victims. It's not one or the other. A person can be both.

Granted, the Dzieanski case is another side of the spectrum, I'm sure people have been shot by police who did not deserve it as well, All I'm saying is that the more we tie our police hands by dictating what they can and cannot use to subdue a suspect, the more criminals will win.
Personally, I would like a return to the days when all they had was a gun and a baton, unfortunately due to lawsuits and public complaints, as well as misconduct by various officers, they have been forced to find other methods, some of which work and some of which do not.