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CommanderSock CommanderSock:

I'm surprised this made such a furor in the English speaking part of our continent.

Discrimination based on skin colour or ethnicity, public or private should not even be on the table for debate.

Who the hell sits around and ponders whether they should treat their fellow countrymen like sub-humans scumbags in a so called civilized society over something they personally have no control over (unless they are billionaire pop moguls).

One would figure we would have left this sort of debate for societies which are still trying to get running tap water and 24 hour electricity to their citizens homes, and perhaps the Japanese.

You know I always thought Canada was above this sort of Racist banter.

3 years in Alberta and I never heard one racist slur towards any minority.

I have been in Vancouver only 6 months now and I have learned a whole new vocabulary.

Seems the target of choice are East Indians, or (diaper head, binder, dunecoon and many worse) The last two I never heard before and had to ask WTF it meant.

Canada is not absent of it's intolerance or rasists. (We are not any better than the USA)

I wish that some alien race would come to earth and attack us... I am sure many of us would lose our bias and quickly join the "Human Race."

[N_Fiddledog]

Except Rand Paul didn't say anything racist, and other than insist over and over again he did, you've yet to support that in a way which can not be immediately dismissed by reasoned judgment of the facts.

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N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Except Rand Paul didn't say anything racist, and other than insist over and over again he did, you've yet to support that in a way which can not be immediately dismissed by reasoned judgment of the facts.

Yeah, thin line. He didn't say anything racist, just promotes the idea that discrimination - race-based prejudice, deny services to those with a physical or mental disability, workplace discrimination, or religious discrimination, is somehow O.K. in todays society by private businesses. (institualized racism)

Anyone who promotes this or defends this; "please insert head into ass and fight for air."

[andyt]

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You know I always thought Canada was above this sort of Racist banter.

3 years in Alberta and I never heard one racist slur towards any minority.

I have been in Vancouver only 6 months now and I have learned a whole new vocabulary.

Seems the target of choice are East Indians, or (diaper head, binder, dunecoon and many worse) The last two I never heard before and had to ask WTF it meant.

Canada is not absent of it's intolerance or rasists. (We are not any better than the USA)

I wish that some alien race would come to earth and attack us... I am sure many of us would lose our bias and quickly join the "Human Race."

I'm pretty racist according to pc dogma. I'm biased against Punjabi males because of the may most of them have acted. I do have one Punjabi friend tho. (I would never tell him what I'm writing here). I have some Muslim co-workers that are great guys, but I'm certainly prejudiced against Muslims. (Have met some real Muslim assholes). I have biases against Chinese, Natives, pretty well every group out there, including white Canadians, but have friends among all those groups. I'm always open to being proved wrong, so if I meet a good person, I don't care about the color of their skin, or their religion or what have you.

I don't see myself as racist, but as culturist. I see the faults in all cultures. As I said, even white Canadian culture, such as it is. But, I think Canadians of European origins made this a great country to live in, which is why so many people all over the world want to live here. So I am Euro-Canadiancentrist - I think people should adapt to that culture, bring the good stuff from their culture with them, but leave the stuff that conflicts with ours at home. And, for economic, not racial, reasons I want Canada to go very easy on immigration from all parts of the world. I would give Europeans bonus points tho, because they do seem closer to our culture, fit in easier. Maybe just enforce the speaking an official language rule more closely, that would probably sort people out pretty well.

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You ever think those "Asshole Muslims, Chinese, Natives" are just responding to you a certain way... because they are so use to being treated badly by white people, they just figure it's best to respond as a jerk first. (what do they have to lose)

My ex-wife is hispanic, and I find it funny that when I walk into a store that is run by an East Indian, at first they treat me with apprehension or out right rudeness. (i'm as blonde and as white as you can get, Norwegian German hybrid)

My ex-wife comes in the store a few minutes later and their attitude changes, as they see me with someone who is dark skinned like they are.

Funny, because I go back the next day to one particular store and the cashier asks; "where is she, where is she...." looking at my car.

[BartSimpson]

I guess unless you're all in favor of using government force to address every social ill you're a racist.

The thing the f***wits are not seeing in their blind rush to denounce Paul as a racist is that he is saying he would rather depend on the common person using common decency to do the right thing than to use government force to paste over social ills.

Which means we have a lot of people on this site who think the average person in the USA is a foaming at the mouth racist who'd be lynching black people all over the place if they could get away with it. To which I say...

[sandorski]

wut?

That's Digitist!!!

[BartSimpson]

sandorski sandorski:

wut?

That's Digitist!!!

[BartSimpson]

Sarah Palin weighs in...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05 ... ning-like/

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BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Which means we have a lot of people on this site who think the average person in the USA is a foaming at the mouth racist who'd be lynching black people all over the place if they could get away with it.

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Oh come on Bart why would anyone in this world think that the United States would be full of racist... I mean United States shows no history of racism, correct?

A civil war, mistreatment of blacks, mexicans and a history of segregation, japanese internment...

Oh no the United States now has a Black President and Miss USA is a Muslim so the USA is now somehow morally superior and without stereotypical ideals.

[Thanos]

Well, I've always had the highest regard for the average American citizen. Too bad that right now, in this moment of history, that it's the flaming fuckwits (especially the ones on the right) that are driving the agenda and getting all the attention. For all intents and purposes it's an almost identical situation to that of "why don't the good Muslims do something to stop the bad Muslims". Ditto with Christians. Ditto with Socialists. And ditto with Americans.

Let's set aside the fight over whether or not Baby Doc's a racist. Just to be fair I'll try to take him at his word and agree now that he isn't motivated by racial animus. The new problem for him then, as an alleged intellectual and now a politician, he seems incredibly naive about some of the issues that have been (more or less) settled. In the absence of a successful neo-Confederate/neo-Nazi/KKK rebellion that somehow manages to topple the federal government and then assume control of all police power, stripping Americans of any of their civil rights and liberties as defined by Congress and the courts is not going to happen. So why even bother to discuss it as if it's a relevant issue? Why would Baby Doc, on the week of his primary victory, even think that something so dopey deserves to be voiced? How dull of a person can he be to assume that he wouldn't be taken to task for it? The whole ridiculous mess is just a bullshit fantasy of people who are still irrationally pining over the South losing the Civil War (although given the completely immoderate amount of influence that the South still holds over the current American political process today it probably could be reasonably debated that the South didnt lose the war at all). No one else even cares about this as an issue anymore. And it's a damn shame that libertarians have hitched their wagon to those sorts of people whose primary interests are definitively not in seeing a nation thrive with liberty, justice, and equality for all. If you're going to roll in the mud with those who are literally fascist pigs, you better be prepared to get some poop attached to you.

If I want to piss off a libertarian, I don't even have to use the racism card anyway. All I have to say is that, as far as their delusional fantasies go (especially in terms of this utterly ridiculous sanctity and innate morality of the businessman that they believe in) they're stuck in a dreamworld that's as laughable as that of Communists. A pure libertarian state is an illusion. It's something that never existed and something that will never exist. And to expect anything to come into existence which automatically assumes that the individual capitalist even wants to work towards the betterment of the entire society rather than merely towards his own personal enrichment isn't even worth seriously discussing. It's as existentially as stupid as Communism in that it completely ignores the influence that the personalities of significant individuals can have in disrupting and destroying the grand plan towards Utopia.

That's why it can't be taken seriously. And that's why it becomes dangerous when to many people start to think that it makes any sense. It doesn't, and it never will.

[BartSimpson]

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Oh come on Bart why would anyone in this world think that the United States would be full of racist... I mean United States shows no history of racism, correct?

A civil war, mistreatment of blacks, mexicans and a history of segregation, japanese internment...

Oh no the United States now has a Black President and Miss USA is a Muslim so the USA is now somehow morally superior and without stereotypical ideals.

First, how do you think all of those problems were addressed if not by people understanding that racism was wrong? But, no. You're condemning Paul for his conviction that the LAWS MANDATING RACISM WERE WRONG and that laws to end that kookiness are not needed as a moral people will do the right thing.

You're just so stuck in your own BIGOTRY against anything a conservative has to offer that you're unable to grasp what is, frankly, an intellectual argument. Until you can set aside your biases, you'll be blind to this.

[andyt]

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You ever think those "Asshole Muslims, Chinese, Natives" are just responding to you a certain way... because they are so use to being treated badly by white people, they just figure it's best to respond as a jerk first. (what do they have to lose)

My ex-wife is hispanic, and I find it funny that when I walk into a store that is run by an East Indian, at first they treat me with apprehension or out right rudeness. (i'm as blonde and as white as you can get, Norwegian German hybrid)

My ex-wife comes in the store a few minutes later and their attitude changes, as they see me with someone who is dark skinned like they are.

Funny, because I go back the next day to one particular store and the cashier asks; "where is she, where is she...." looking at my car.

I'm not going to buy into the it's all the white man's fault stuff.

And, I'm not just talking about how they act with me - many are superficially at least quite friendly. With Punjabi males I'm talking about how many treat their women, and other nonsense (like being quite fond of Hitler - one told me he had to kill all the Jews because the jews owned all the stores and raised prices.) Not saying they're all like that, but enough are.

Chinese, many I get along with great. But the Hong Kongers that tell people in Richmond that the mall is for Chinese only, for instance,. I have no use for. Many of them, even that I get along with, make no bones about their racism toward Blacks, and that they consider Han to be the superior people of the world.

The natives - I've worked with some really great guys -the ones the other natives would call apples. But I don't think I have to spell out how many asshole natives there are, and blaming all on the white man is their thing.

As I said, I'm Euro-Canadiancentric. Act more or less like we do, (and we're not perfect by any means) and I have no problem, no matter what the color of your skin.

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BartSimpson BartSimpson:

First, how do you think all of those problems were addressed if not by people understanding that racism was wrong? But, no. You're condemning Paul for his conviction that the LAWS MANDATING RACISM WERE WRONG and that laws to end that kookiness are not needed as a moral people will do the right thing.

You're just so stuck in your own BIGOTRY against anything a conservative has to offer that you're unable to grasp what is, frankly, an intellectual argument. Until you can set aside your biases, you'll be blind to this.

Please don't use conservative to describe Rand Paul..

Section 8, loonie, frindge, Marxist... just not conservative.

Rand Paul helps the Democrats in ways I don't care to mention. Every minority, disabled person, gay, whatever.. will now look at Rand Paul, the Tea Party and the Republican Party as a huge joke.

I mean come on, if this is the new face of the Republican party... I would vote for Obama... that's right ME!!!

(if you look at my previous posts during the election, Obama was not my first choice)

I know Rand Paul will get some votes... and does appeal to some folks..



OR....

[sandorski]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

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Oh come on Bart why would anyone in this world think that the United States would be full of racist... I mean United States shows no history of racism, correct?

A civil war, mistreatment of blacks, mexicans and a history of segregation, japanese internment...

Oh no the United States now has a Black President and Miss USA is a Muslim so the USA is now somehow morally superior and without stereotypical ideals.

First, how do you think all of those problems were addressed if not by people understanding that racism was wrong? But, no. You're condemning Paul for his conviction that the LAWS MANDATING RACISM WERE WRONG and that laws to end that [b]kookiness are not needed as a moral people will do the right thing. [/b]

You're just so stuck in your own BIGOTRY against anything a conservative has to offer that you're unable to grasp what is, frankly, an intellectual argument. Until you can set aside your biases, you'll be blind to this.

He is clearly wrong on that point. The people in the South clearly thought they were Moral and didn't change despite the rest of the Country telling them that they were being Immoral. It was the Law and only the Law that changed the South onto a Moral path.