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Title: Harper says Canada will not repeat history's mistakes
Category: Political
Posted By: mtbr
Date: 2008-11-22 17:18:41
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[kenmore]

Hope he has a better plan than Bennett did in the great depression.. the torys were in power then too. lol

[mtbr]

kenmore kenmore:

Hope he has a better plan than Bennett did in the great depression.. the torys were in power then too. lol

the great depression started in 29 when the Libs were in power

they elected Bennet and the Tories to clean up the mess.

short memory there ..just like you always forget Chretien sent us to Afghanistan

[Freakinoldguy]

kenmore kenmore:

Hope he has a better plan than Bennett did in the great depression.. the torys were in power then too. lol

William Lyon McKenzie King was the PM for the start of the depression in 29 and was reelected in 35. So despite your completely biased theory about the Conservatives being to blame, the reality is that the Liberal Party Of Canada was responsible for 2/3 of the Great Depression.


Apparently history isn't your strong suit, so you might want to stick to what you know best.

Blatent Racism.

[Mustang1]

I'll be interested in seeing how dropout demonstrates how the Tories cleaned up the Depression! He'll cower, but i'll spot him a couple of posts to show off his towering intellect

[Mustang1]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

kenmore kenmore:

Hope he has a better plan than Bennett did in the great depression.. the torys were in power then too. lol

William Lyon McKenzie King was the PM for the start of the depression in 29 and was reelected in 35. So despite your completely biased theory about the Conservatives being to blame, the reality is that the Liberal Party Of Canada was responsible for 2/3 of the Great Depression.


Apparently history isn't your strong suit, so you might want to stick to what you know best.

Actually, Bennett was in charge (and it'll be interesting to see how you intepret his initial appraisal of the economic condition) during the worst parts (and he was elected only 10 months after Black Tuesday) and perhaps you'd like to explain how he did in terms of alleviating the Depression's impact?

You might want to be careful about who you chastise for alleged miscarriages of history.

[Freakinoldguy]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

kenmore kenmore:

Hope he has a better plan than Bennett did in the great depression.. the torys were in power then too. lol

William Lyon McKenzie King was the PM for the start of the depression in 29 and was reelected in 35. So despite your completely biased theory about the Conservatives being to blame, the reality is that the Liberal Party Of Canada was responsible for 2/3 of the Great Depression.


Apparently history isn't your strong suit, so you might want to stick to what you know best.

Actually, Bennett was in charge (and it'll be interesting to see how you intepret his initial appraisal of the economic condition) during the worst parts (and he was elected only 10 months after Black Tuesday) and perhaps you'd like to explain how he did in terms of alleviating the Depression's impact?

You might want to be careful about who you chastise for alleged miscarriages of history.

I'll be careful about chastising people for miscarriages of history when they stop attempting to rewrite it to suit a personal political agenda.

The great depression spanned the years 1929 till at least 1939. I may have been wrong on saying that they were responsible for 2/3 of it, but they were in power for at almost 1/2 of it including the initial crash.

As for alleviating the the depressions impact, he didn't but then again neither did Mackenzie King. The Second World War alleviated the depression, not some politician.

[mtbr]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

I'll be interested in seeing how dropout demonstrates how the Tories cleaned up the Depression! He'll cower, but i'll spot him a couple of posts to show off his towering intellect

EDIT BY MOD
I was clearing up Kenmore's incorrect history time line and in no where in my post did I say "he cleaned up the mess". ..he was elected with hopes of cleaning up the mess as in most bad economic times the voters replace the government with hopes for improvement.

[Mustang1]

mtbr mtbr:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

I'll be interested in seeing how dropout demonstrates how the Tories cleaned up the Depression! He'll cower, but i'll spot him a couple of posts to show off his towering intellect

EDIT BY MOD
I was clearing up Kenmore's incorrect history time line and in no where in my post did I say "he cleaned up the mess". ..he was elected with hopes of cleaning up the mess as in most bad economic times the voters replace the government with hopes for improvement.

Kenmore's initial quote was actually correct - Bennett's initial plan was woefully unsuccessful. In fact, King did more to get himself unelected than Bennett during the 1930 election. Perhaps you owe Kenmore a retraction?

Next time, stay out of the big-boy ideas instead of trolling

[Mustang1]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I'll be careful about chastising people for miscarriages of history when they stop attempting to rewrite it to suit a personal political agenda.

And yet you only chastised Kenmore - whose comments were still historically sound - and left the other partisan comments alone. Seems like you're guilty of the act you charge others with.

$1:

The great depression spanned the years 1929 till at least 1939. I may have been wrong on saying that they were responsible for 2/3 of it, but they were in power for at almost 1/2 of it including the initial crash.

Thanks for the history lesson, but Bennett was in power during the worst years. That was my point and his initial approach was unsuccessful with alleviating the Depression's impact on the populace.

$1:

As for alleviating the the depressions impact, he didn't but then again neither did Mackenzie King. The Second World War alleviated the depression, not some politician.

King was far better than his predecessor and while WWII did 'solve' the economic downturn, that doesn't mean politicians couldn't and didn't (see FDR) bring hope and solutions to the psychological impact.

[kenmore]

mtbr mtbr:

kenmore kenmore:

Hope he has a better plan than Bennett did in the great depression.. the torys were in power then too. lol

the great depression started in 29 when the Libs were in power

they elected Bennet and the Tories to clean up the mess.

short memory there ..just like you always forget Chretien sent us to Afghanistan

read your history .... ya the libs were in 1929 but it was Bennett who was the hated dick wadd.. he ran to Britain before someone assassinated him..
the depression wasnt anything to do with the libs.. but wealthy torys had no compassion for the destitute.. a party for the rich then and now!

[hwacker]

kenmore kenmore:

mtbr mtbr:

kenmore kenmore:

Hope he has a better plan than Bennett did in the great depression.. the torys were in power then too. lol

the great depression started in 29 when the Libs were in power

they elected Bennet and the Tories to clean up the mess.

short memory there ..just like you always forget Chretien sent us to Afghanistan

read your history .... ya the libs were in 1929 but it was Bennett who was the hated dick wadd.. he ran to Britain before someone assassinated him..
the depression wasnt anything to do with the libs.. but wealthy torys had no compassion for the destitute.. a party for the rich then and now!

Kenmore kenmore kenmore you ignorant sl*t, we all know that liberals don't play with guns, damn they don’t even join the military because they are so afraid of them, just who would have assassinated him ?

[dino_bobba_renno]

kenmore kenmore:

read your history .... ya the libs were in 1929 but it was Bennett who was the hated dick wadd.. he ran to Britain before someone assassinated him..
the depression wasnt anything to do with the libs.. but wealthy torys had no compassion for the destitute.. a party for the rich then and now!

The rich you say, funny how the three main current contenders for the Liberal leadership just all happen to be sons of wealthy career politicians and diplomats. Not one of them has probably ever worked an honest day in their privileged lives.

[Freakinoldguy]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

King was far better than his predecessor and while WWII did 'solve' the economic downturn, that doesn't mean politicians couldn't and didn't (see FDR) bring hope and solutions to the psychological impact.

I agree, but alot of people have blythely discounted Bennetts attempt to fix the Canadian economy as the worst decisions possible, while praising Mackenzie Kings, which, while factual, is somewhat misleading.

While Bennett didn't alleviate the great depression he also didn't have the luxury of having the worst years of the depression behind him when he took office.

$1:

By defeating William Lyon Mackenzie King in the 1930 federal election, he had the misfortune of taking office during the worst depression of the century for the country and the rest of the world. Bennett tried to combat the depression by increasing trade within the British Empire and imposing tariffs for imports from outside the Empire, promising that his measures would blast Canadian exports into world markets. His success was limited however, and his own wealth and impersonal style alienated many struggling Canadians.

Hindsight is 20/20, so we now know that his policies were doomed to failure from the start, but while Mackenzie King did do more to alleviate the impact of the depression he didn't actually succeed until the second world war started, even though he had a much better starting position.


As for the current economic meltdown goes, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out, while letting history be the judge.

[Mustang1]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I agree, but alot of people have blythely discounted Bennetts attempt to fix the Canadian economy as the worst decisions possible, while praising Mackenzie Kings, which, while factual, is somewhat misleading.

I understand Bennett's dilemma, but his initial strategy was poor as was his appraisal of the human toll. He deserves to be judged on this acts just as FDR was praised for his attempt to provide hope and do something for the American public.

In his defence, i do think that he legitimately tried to address the problems of the Depression later in his term, but, by then, the public had put his face to the economic downturn and turned him into a scapegoat.

$1:

While Bennett didn't alleviate the great depression he also didn't have the luxury of having the worst years of the depression behind him when he took office.

This is true and while i wouldn't' label him a "reformer" Bennett certainly didn't dither either

$1:

By defeating William Lyon Mackenzie King in the 1930 federal election, he had the misfortune of taking office during the worst depression of the century for the country and the rest of the world. Bennett tried to combat the depression by increasing trade within the British Empire and imposing tariffs for imports from outside the Empire, promising that his measures would blast Canadian exports into world markets. His success was limited however, and his own wealth and impersonal style alienated many struggling Canadians.

Hindsight is 20/20, so we now know that his policies were doomed to failure from the start, but while Mackenzie King did do more to alleviate the impact of the depression he didn't actually succeed until the second world war started, even though he had a much better starting position.


As for the current economic meltdown goes, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out, while letting history be the judge.[/quote]

I'm not basing the evaluation on hindsight, i'm examining it squarely in its historical context and while its true that King escaped the political turmoil, FDR proved that one could tackle the Depression (and although he wasn't fully successful) and provide the public with not only have hope, but change their optics regarding the situation