 Charest rips into Harper government over environment MONTREAL � A war of words has erupted between Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the premier of Quebec, with Jean Charest tearing a strip off Ottawa's environmental performanceCommentsview comments in forum You need to be a member of CKA and be logged into the site, to comment on news. |
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I believe that out of 15 billions transfered from provinces to the federal every year....8 billions come from Quebec....It's enough to have a say and Harper is dead weight to ALL canadians anyway.
me me me from quebec politicians.....hmmmmm
I believe that out of 15 billions transfered from provinces to the federal every year....8 billions come from Quebec....It's enough to have a say and Harper is dead weight to ALL canadians anyway.
Care to provide some proof that Quebec gives almost half of the provincial totals to the feds? I understand that in federal transfer payments TO the provinces that Quebec RECIEVES almost half of that total. Quebec has been a have-not province as long as I can remember, always taking far more from the feds than any other province. Quebec is now, and always has been, a drain on Canada.
http://www.fin.gc.ca/fedprov/mtp-eng.asp#Quebec
This doesn't count the 'special' projects and funds from the Federal government that are aimed at Quebec only.
me me me from quebec politicians.....hmmmmm
I believe that out of 15 billions transfered from provinces to the federal every year....8 billions come from Quebec....It's enough to have a say and Harper is dead weight to ALL canadians anyway.
You have got to be kidding.
You can't honestly type that with a straight face.
me me me from quebec politicians.....hmmmmm
I believe that out of 15 billions transfered from provinces to the federal every year....8 billions come from Quebec....It's enough to have a say and Harper is dead weight to ALL canadians anyway.
Uh what? No. You couldn't have that more backwards. Right now the oil sands is feeding the nation with the lions share of equalization amounting to $21billion....more than the entire defence budget. Actually it's been like that for more than a few years now.
"Ganging up on Alberta's polluting oilsands is becoming a national sport and it's on full display for the world in Copenhagen.
But what would the country look like if the cash flow pumped from the Western oil patch was suddenly turned off?
With climate change now morphing into a national-unity issue, angry defenders of Western oil argue that the provinces doing most of the environmental finger-pointing - namely, Ontario and Quebec - can only afford their own social programs and tax rates thanks to the gooey Alberta cash cow they love to disparage.
Alberta's premier says his province's oil-rich economy provides the rest of the country with about $21 billion - which, by way of comparison, is more than all of Canada's $18-billion defence budget, and about half of what Ontario spends on health care.
It is also a key driving force behind the federal equalization program, which transfers more than $8 billion a year to Quebec.
That $8 billion equalization cheque is equivalent to five years' funding for Quebec's cherished $7-a-day daycare program, and is almost twice the sum Quebec has slapped on the table to buy New Brunswick's power utility.
Many contend that curbing Alberta's oil production would siphon much-needed cash from the bank accounts of the so-called "have-not" provinces.
"The costs to these provinces might be a lot larger than they imagine," warned Robert Mansell, an economist and equalization expert from the University of Calgary.
"It's been the one thing that's brought a lot of money into the country and spread it around fairly widely."
Six provinces are set to receive about $14.2 billion in equalization payments this year. For 2009, the formula will funnel about $8.4 billion to Quebec, $2.1 billion to Manitoba, $1.7 billion to New Brunswick, $1.6 billion to Nova Scotia, $347 million to Ontario and $340 million to Prince Edward Island.
The purpose of the payments is to ensure the country's less prosperous provinces can provide citizens with services that can be reasonably compared with those offered by the others.
Despite Alberta's financial support, Quebec and Ontario have taken public shots at the province's oilsands development during the Copenhagen climate summit.
Both Quebec Premier Jean Charest and Ontario Environment Minister John Gerretsen refuse to let their provinces carry the load for bigger polluters, like Alberta and Saskatchewan, when it comes to meeting emissions goals.
"If they (the oilsands) are developed there may have to be larger greenhouse gas emission (cuts) elsewhere in the country in order to meet our overall targets," Gerretsen said.
Alberta Premier Stelmach shot back Wednesday in a public letter and television interview, warning the have-not provinces not to bite the industry that feeds them.
"Perhaps the most frustrating part of this all was the finger-pointing by Quebec and Ontario," Stelmach told an Edmonton television network.
"If this leads to really killing Alberta's economy who is going to support the programs in other provinces?"
He said Albertans spend more than $21 billion in financing the other provinces.
Remarkably, Stelmach's argument showed signs Thursday of breaking through.
Alberta's position has even received some sympathetic coverage in Quebec, which is the province most supportive of tough climate-change targets.
Public discourse here rarely touches on equalization and the subject is generally ignored except for when have-not provinces are at the federal bargaining table, seeking a richer deal.
But it has generated some attention this week.
Several prominent public commentators in Quebec explained that la belle province - like the entire country - benefits from Alberta's oil revenue through equalization payments.
On Thursday, three columns in two Quebec newspapers condemned Quebec and Ontario for their criticism of Alberta's oil industry.
"Hypocrisy has a name, or rather two: Quebec and Ontario," wrote Montreal columnist Lysiane Gagnon on Thursday.
"In short, it's thanks to the oilsands that allows Quebec to live beyond its means and offer luxury services such as $7(-a-day) daycares and universities that are practically free."
Historically, Alberta has always paid more per capita into the equalization program than any other province, Mansell said.
On the flip side, Quebec has been the largest net beneficiary of the program, he added.
In 2006, Mansell said he calculated that Quebec was a net beneficiary of $217.1 billion (in 2004 dollars) from the equalization program between 1961 to 2002. That has represented $767 per year for every Quebec man, woman and child, he said.
Over the same period, Alberta paid out $243.6 billion and Ontario paid $314.5 billion, he said. That has cost $2,510 for every Alberta resident every year, and $758 for every Ontarian.
He said that Alberta's oil and gas industry has also created spin-off jobs in manufacturing and engineering in Quebec and Ontario.
"The comparative advantage, which we clearly have in Canada, is resources," Mansell said.
"Whether we like it or not, that has been the driving force in our economy." "
me me me from quebec politicians.....hmmmmm
I believe that out of 15 billions transfered from provinces to the federal every year....8 billions come from Quebec....It's enough to have a say and Harper is dead weight to ALL canadians anyway.
It's the contrary... we RECEIVED more than 8 billions out of the whole 14.5 billions equalization program. So we received 60% but we are only 23% of the population.
Most people don't have an issue with Quebec or the Quebecois. The problem to me is it seems that Quebeckers themselves are too ready to believe their media and the Bloc/PQ types. Reality doesn�t seem to play well in Quebec.
Quebec gets more than a fair crack of the whip. It has the highest transfer payments both per capita and in actual funds. According to stats-can it gets 27% of it's revenue from transfer payments, the highest proportion by far.
It has the lowest population-to-MP ratio in Parliament and therefore a larger political voice per capita than any other province.
It has control over it's immigration, pensions, taxes unlike all other provinces.
It's language is protected over and above English or any First Nations language.
I think they have a lot to be thankful for and instead of slagging Alberta off, (a province that contributes a large amount of revenue to that 18 billion dollars Quebec is getting this year)Quebec should look at getting it's own fiscal house in order and funding it's social initiatives with it�s own revenue, not Alberta�s taxes.
It should look at the emissions of it's concrete and asbestos industries and the millions of cars that spew way more C02 into the atmosphere than the oil-sands do.
Those in glass houses and all that.
me me me from quebec politicians.....hmmmmm
I believe that out of 15 billions transfered from provinces to the federal every year....8 billions come from Quebec....It's enough to have a say and Harper is dead weight to ALL canadians anyway.
It's the contrary... we RECEIVED more than 8 billions out of the whole 14.5 billions equalization program. So we received 60% but we are only 23% of the population.
+1 coming your way.
That couldn't have been easy to say.
Bravo! M. Charest Bravo! well done.. harper doesn't give a crap about the environment.. Alberta boy through and through.
Really? But he'll take the money for it right?
Name me one (1 - as in the least you can have before zero) environmental initiative Charest has spearheaded for his province.
Of course you've been schooled over and over again that not only is Harper from Ontario but also that the Liberals had 10 years to do something about the oil sands and they never did anything....in fact they did little of anything at all after signing us over to Kyoto........so no, it's not Harper who doesn't give a damn about the environment but apparently, anyone who becomes PM and sees how much money is being generated.
If a visitor read this anti Qu�bec rhetoric they would get the ( WRONG) impression that Qu�bec doesn't contribute to the country...
anti-Quebec rhetoric? It's hilarious when someone reads the plain truth and decides it's "anti-something-rhetoric".
So, what does Quebec contribute then with the lions share of the transfer payments they've been getting every year?
If a visitor read this anti Qu�bec rhetoric they would get the ( WRONG) impression that Qu�bec doesn't contribute to the country... which of course is not the case.
I'm glad to see you have a sense of humour despite Quebec's dire financial status and it's massive debt it owes Canada.