How Kaspersky AV reportedly was caught helping Russian hackers steal NSA secrets

Is it starting to look like a Duck yet, Martin?

Russia hacked the NSA. Big deal, that's what we expect them to do. By the way, the NSA hacks Russia all the time.

This still doesn't prove that Russia conspired with Donald Trump to cheat Hillary out of winning an election she thought was already rigged in her favor.

Russia hacked the NSA. Big deal, that's what we expect them to do. By the way, the NSA hacks Russia all the time.

This still doesn't prove that Russia conspired with Donald Trump to cheat Hillary out of winning an election she thought was already rigged in her favor.

Nothing will ever prove that, unless Vlad himself admits it.

But, as you say, everyone hacks everyone 24/7. So it's not that much of a stretch that Russia would interfere in a US election in order to put 'their boy' in the big chair. I've been showing a pattern of Russian interference in all sorts of World events.

After a while, the only choice is to say 'it quacks like a duck'.

You're assuming that Trump was Russia's boy and you're doing so without a shred of evidence to support the smear.

What if Russia was supporting him not because he was their 'boy' but because they thought he'd do the most harm to the US? They were just supporting chaos in that circumstance.

Isn't that more plausible than some ridiculously complex conspiracy of which there is no evidence?

And yet you bought intointo the
libel and slander claiming Obama was a Muslim Kenyan, despite all the evidence demonstrating it was false.

It's not a smear. He hosted Miss America from Moscow! He has banking tied to Russian banks! His business ties there are well known. Tillerson has a civilian medal from Putin himself!

I'm not trying to smear him, I'm simply stating what is already known - Trump has friends in Russia.



I actually think that is exactly the reason. Russia has been playing the US since the rise of Putin, and especially during the Obama presidency, by using the 'us vs them' mentality in US politics to stir up trouble in the world. He does something to draw attention, then stir up US politics that distract from what they are doing.

That's why they just walked into Crimea, because they knew Obama would do nothing but talk. The same with Turkey and Syria; Obama's 'line' wasn't one. And why they keep Snowden on ice.



"Evidence" is a matter of perspective. Russia is all over the US in a covert perspective. This article shows that - they used Kaspersky to monitor filenames for ones they KNEW represented NSA data - out of everyone else on the planet - then hacked this guy's PC and stole the data.

Like I said. it's not a big stretch to believe that an insecure system that tallies votes, and has been known to be insecure for years, would be a target.

https://www.wired.com/story/voting-mach ... ks-defcon/

So did his wife Michelle so I'm in good company.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBJihJBePcs

Is that a sneak peek at the Trump 2020 campaign strategy?

�Hi, I�m Donald Trump. My opponent wants you to believe that the Russians support me be because I�m their boy. Nothing could ve further from the truth. The reality is they support me because they know I�ll do the most harm to America and they�re supporting chaos. This November, vote to harm America. Vote for chaos. Vote for Trump. �

I wonder if HRC is so pissed off because she thought after selling Uranium to the Russians it made her their girl in the WH.