 Liberals suffer reality blackout on electrcitiy usageProvincial Politics | 208150 hits | Jun 22 6:28 am | Posted by: Alta_redneck  TORONTO - Once upon a time when temperatures soared, the energy minister would heave a sigh of relief every time he flicked the switch and the lights came on. So, welcome to conservation, Ontario-style. The more jobs you lose, the more energy you save.Commentsview comments in forum Page 1 You need to be a member of CKA and be logged into the site, to comment on news. |
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wow, just wow.
McGuinty didn't cause the manufacturing sector in Ontario to fall.
The government did give GM a bailout, which had more to do with just Oshawa and it prevented Oshawa from being closed years earlier. (2008). The money was also paid back.
We forked out billions and GM Canada is probably smaller than it has ever been, and I'm not convinced that money was worth spending.
GM is reopening US facilities. Canada hasn't seen a GM opening since the 80's, just bad news after bad news. Shutdown after shutdown. Even after the reorganization and rebound. One line in Oshawa and CAMI, and Oshawa hasn't been doing too well at all. That's will be it for GM vehicle assembly in Canada.
Chrysler (FIAT) at least has kept its Canadian factories working AFAIK through their financial difficulty and has no plans to shut down its current facilities. I feel a little better about the money we sent them (which was small percentage of what we sent to GM)
According to the Sun, Factory workers are "overpaid" and "obscolete" except when you can blame a Liberal for being in power when those same "good-paying jobs" are eliminated by offshoring and Reaganomics. Apparently, Dalton is to blame for the entire world-wide economic stagnation of recent years.
And while the artilce FALSELY claims that all "new" supply is wind, the government has built or refurbished Nuclear, Hydro and Gas power plants as well.
Another bullshit article from the SUN, confirming its status as overpriced bird-cage liner.
According to the Sun, Factory workers are "overpaid" and "obscolete" except when you can blame a Liberal for being in power when those same "good-paying jobs" are eliminated by offshoring and Reaganomics. Apparently, Dalton is to blame for the entire world-wide economic stagnation of recent years.
And while the artilce FALSELY claims that all "new" supply is wind, the government has built or refurbished Nuclear, Hydro and Gas power plants as well.
You should use the Toronto Star to line your cage. It turns the birdshit a delightful pink colour by leaking red ink into it.
Another bullshit article from the SUN, confirming its status as overpriced bird-cage liner.
According to the Sun, Factory workers are "overpaid" and "obscolete" except when you can blame a Liberal for being in power when those same "good-paying jobs" are eliminated by offshoring and Reaganomics. Apparently, Dalton is to blame for the entire world-wide economic stagnation of recent years.
And while the artilce FALSELY claims that all "new" supply is wind, the government has built or refurbished Nuclear, Hydro and Gas power plants as well.
That's not a false claim at all. Refurbished is NOT new. It means they were in action at one point, then taken out of action for whatever reasons, fixed up/upgraded and eventually brought back on-line.
As for building them, aside from the the turdbines, what nuclear, hydro or Gas plants has Dalton actually had built from scratch??
And more importantly, why the hell is McStupid bringing yet more power generation on-line when Ontario produces so much of the shit, it gets dumped with startling regularity?!
As much as I dislike the current Liberal government, the article is filled with half-truths.
McGuinty didn't cause the manufacturing sector in Ontario to fall.
The government did give GM a bailout, which had more to do with just Oshawa and it prevented Oshawa from being closed years earlier. (2008). The money was also paid back.
Good points.
Want to back that conjecture up with facts Mz. Blizzard?
Sorry, but wind turbines generate electricity when there is as little as 5 mph wind (8kmh). Even on most hot days, there is usually a slight wind between 5-10 kmh.
Frankly, this comes off as nothing more than a partisan attack.
And more importantly, why the hell is McStupid bringing yet more power generation on-line when Ontario produces so much of the shit, it gets dumped with startling regularity?!
Dumped at prices Ontarian's can only dream of.
Market price for electricity right now is 2.19 cents per kwh. Including the vaguely named "global adjustment" brings the price to 7.31 cents per kwh.
At the moment we are paying 9.2 cents per kwh, which at 11 am will jump to 10.8 cents per kwh.
Another bullshit article from the SUN, confirming its status as overpriced bird-cage liner.
According to the Sun, Factory workers are "overpaid" and "obscolete" except when you can blame a Liberal for being in power when those same "good-paying jobs" are eliminated by offshoring and Reaganomics. Apparently, Dalton is to blame for the entire world-wide economic stagnation of recent years.
And while the artilce FALSELY claims that all "new" supply is wind, the government has built or refurbished Nuclear, Hydro and Gas power plants as well.
That's not a false claim at all. Refurbished is NOT new. It means they were in action at one point, then taken out of action for whatever reasons, fixed up/upgraded and eventually brought back on-line.
As for building them, aside from the the turdbines, what nuclear, hydro or Gas plants has Dalton actually had built from scratch??
And more importantly, why the hell is McStupid bringing yet more power generation on-line when Ontario produces so much of the shit, it gets dumped with startling regularity?!
Sorry, but you dont know what youre talking about. There is nothing wrong with refurbishing versus new construction. Do you buy a new car every time you need an oil change? And you go on to suggest that McGuinty is building too much supply, after saying he's not buidling enough?
All units listed below are "new" unless listed as "shut down" or "upgraded". It doesn't covert well to text but here's the link:
New and Retired Generation Since the IESO Market Opened in May 2002.
Ontario�s electricity sector is going through a process of renewal � with the replacement of aging infrastructure and the transition to a more sustainable energy supply mix. Here�s an overview of new or refurbished generation projects of 20 MW or more that have been commissioned onto the system since 2002. This table also includes coal units that have been retired as part of the government�s plan to phase out coal by the end of 2014.
2003
Pickering Unit 4
515 MW
Bruce Unit 4
770 MW
2004
Bruce Unit 3
782 MW
Brighton Beach
580 MW
Kirkland Lake
32 MW
Beck and Kipling (Upgrades)
80 MW
2005
Pickering Unit 1
515 MW
Lakeview (Retirement)
-1,130 MW
2006
Greater Toronto Airport Authority
117 MW
Amaranth
68 MW
Kingsbridge
40 MW
Port Burwell
99 MW
Prince Wind Project
99 MW
Prince II Wind Project
90 MW
2007
Abitibi Canyon (Upgrades)
20 MW
Ripley
76 MW
2008
Portlands Energy Centre (Simple Cycle)
394 MW
Greenfield Energy Centre
1,153 MW
Umbata Falls
24 MW
Kruger Energy Port Alma (T1) Wind Project
101 MW
Melancthon II
132 MW
2009
St. Clair Energy Centre
678 MW
Portlands Energy Centre (Combined Cycle)
246 MW
Goreway Station
942 MW
Beck Unit 7 conversion
69 MW
Beck 2 upgrades
68 MW
Enbridge Ontario Wind Farm
182 MW
Wolfe Island Wind Project
198 MW
East Windsor Cogeneration
100 MW
2010
Thorold Cogeneration
287 MW
Halton Hills Generating Station
705 MW
Nanticoke and Lambton unit shutdowns
-2,000 MW
Conversion of Fort Frances to biomass
47 MW
Kruger Energy Chatham (T3) Wind Project
101 MW
2011
Gosfield Wind Project
50 MW
Spence Wind Farm
99 MW
Talbot Wind Farm
99 MW
Nanticoke Units 1 and 2 shutdown
-980 MW
2012
Greenwich Wind Farm
99 MW
From another page on IESO's site:
Being interconnected means that when unexpected problems occur on the system, such as generation unexpectedly tripping off, neighbouring states and provinces can quickly make up the power shortfall.
An interconnected grid also means that Ontario has the ability to import power if it�s available at a lower price. Conversely, power can be exported when it�s not needed in Ontario. Without the ability to export, Ontario�s generators would lose important revenue streams which helps recoup some of the costs for maintaining their facilities and helps maintain reliability. These are costs that would otherwise be paid for by Ontario consumers.
Over the last five years, Ontario has moved from being a net importer of power to a net exporter as it renews its generation fleet in preparation for the closure of coal-fired generating plants and the refurbishment of several nuclear units. Through multiple connection points, Ontario is capable of importing up to 4,800 megawatts of power, strengthening system reliability. Below is a table that shows monthly imports and exports in megawatt hours and dollars.