A 21-year-old masked man, who has not been identified by police, entered the school in southern Sweden Thursday and stabbed four people, two of which died, before he was shot by police. He later died of his wounds.
A masked man who killed a teacher and a pupil at a school in Sweden had "racist motives", police believe. Police chief Niclas Hallgren said they had based their conclusion on what was found at the killer's apartment and "his behaviour during the act". Media reports suggest the 21-year-old attacker had far-right sympathies. Armed with a sword and wearing a helmet and mask, he stormed a school in Trollhattan, near Gothenburg, before being shot dead by police. Police found a suicide note revealing that the attacker had meant to target "foreigners" and believed "Sweden should not take in so many immigrants", Swedish TV reported. But investigators believe he acted alone and there was no indication of any group involvement, Aftonbladet newspaper reports.
Based on the very limited information available so far this probably does qualify as terrorism. It's likely also related to mental health. The two are not mutually exclusive.
As for the "Europeans waking up" thing... well maybe they are. Or maybe some of them think that they are or that they need to. If we are going to look at root casuse when it comes to islamic terrorism, and we should, then we need to give just as much consideration to looking for root causes when things like this happen.
Understanding that some europeans are feeling threatened in their own countries is not the same as agreeing that they have reason to, nor is it condoning violent responses to that perceived threat. But automatically screaming "racism" and talking about those evil reactionaries does no more to understand or solve the problem than screaming about islam being "evil" does to solve the problem of islamic terrorism.
I think some Europeans have reason to feel threatened - where there is such an influx of immigrants/refugees that they overpower the local culture or the system just can't handle them. That doesn't condone the violence, of course. The European governments just seem to have their heads up their asses in regard to making sure there is some sort of order and control about letting in refugees. Or immigrants as Sweden calls them.
If you call this terrorism, then it's also racism, as it was directed at the ethnicity and or religion of the victims. (unless you want to weasel about religious bigotry not being racism). So I'm not really sure what you are driving at with your last sentence.
But the screaming about Islam being evil is what promotes the atmosphere in which this sort of crime is perpetrated.
Basically I was just riffing off of Sandorski's post and all the other posts we all know are likely to follow a story like this.
Since we don't have much info I'm just making a few assumptions. If the attack was motivated by his feelings about immigration then it's a politically motivated crime, hence terrorism. Depending on one's particular bias the opposing tribes will generally argue that it's mental illness rather than terrorism. I was saying it can be both.
Generally though, when white people commit acts like this the left likes to just cry racism and leave it at that, rather than looking at the actual causes, and do just the opposite in cases of islamic terrorism. Righties, of course, tend to do the same things in the other direction.
SOrry, two fairly clumsy posts in a row. Hopefully you can read my mind and pick out some sense
Mental illness and the urge to be a terrorist walk hand in hand. I wonder though in terms of numbers how these two deaths match up against the number of native Swedes that have been murdered/assaulted/raped by Muslim 'immigrants' over the last couple of decades, a number that's been deliberately suppressed by the Swedish government and the European mainstream press. I'd wager the number of the latter is a lot greater than the number of the former.
"Thanos" said Mental illness and the urge to be a terrorist walk hand in hand. I wonder though in terms of numbers how these two deaths match up against the number of native Swedes that have been murdered/assaulted/raped by Muslim 'immigrants' over the last couple of decades, a number that's been deliberately suppressed by the Swedish government and the European mainstream press. I'd wager the number of the latter is a lot greater than the number of the former.
What does that matter? A certain amount of any Immigrant/Refugee group is going to commit Crimes. Just as a certain amount of Citizens from birth are going to.
It does matter, because if your government isn't stupid enough to let those certain types of immigrants in then those murders/assaults/rapes aren't going to happen.
What does that matter? A certain amount of any Immigrant/Refugee group is going to commit Crimes. Just as a certain amount of Citizens from birth are going to.
even wiki can't hide it.
A report studying 4.4 million Swedes between the ages of 15 and 51 during the period 1997-2001 found that 25% of crimes were committed by foreign-born individuals while and additional 20% were committed by individuals born to foreign-born parents. In particular, immigrants from Africa and South & Western Asian were more likely to be charged of a crime than individuals born to two Swedish parents by a factor of 4.5 and 3.5 respectively. Findings from a previous study published by the Swedish government in 1996 determined that between 1985 and 1989 individuals born in Iraq, North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia), and Africa (excluding Uganda and the North African countries) were convicted of rape at rates 20, 23, and 17 greater than individuals born in Sweden respectively.
In a study by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention in 1997-2001, 25% of the almost 1,520,000 offences were found to be committed by people born abroad, while almost 20% were committed by Swedish-born people with a foreign background. In the study, immigrants were found to be four times more likely to be investigated for lethal violence and robbery than ethnic Swedes. In addition, immigrants were three times more likely to be investigated for violent assault, and five times more likely to be investigated for sex crimes. Overall, North Africa and Western Asia were strongly overrepresented in the crime statistics.
"Thanos" said It does matter, because if your government isn't stupid enough to let those certain types of immigrants in then those murders/assaults/rapes aren't going to happen.
What does that matter? A certain amount of any Immigrant/Refugee group is going to commit Crimes. Just as a certain amount of Citizens from birth are going to.
The difference is how much crime. Unassimilated immigrants and their descendants commit a massively disproportionate degree of crime in Europe, especially violent crimes. When native citizens see such huge increases in crime they have good reason to be concerned and even angry. Unfortunately the politicians in Sweden have taken PC to such a ridiculous extreme that many of the citizens are left feeling that no one cares about their concerns. Which, obviously, leads to heated rhetoric about taking things into their own hands. And to extreme anti-immigrant parties gaining strength.
"sandorski" said It does matter, because if your government isn't stupid enough to let those certain types of immigrants in then those murders/assaults/rapes aren't going to happen.
What types would that be?
Well, they generally aren't Jews. Or Christians. Or Chinese. Or Latinos. Or Hindus. Or Sikhs. They're the ones who are soon going to be chasing the Germans out of Germany thanks to their chancellor who might have proven she's as insane as Hitler was by opening the floodgates wide for these worthless sons of bitches. All in all they're usually the ones that ruin every place they set foot in and destroy in a couple of generations what took much better people from a much better civilization centuries to build. And for some reason they're also the ones that liberals everywhere want to admit more of because something something, something something something, said liberals think is real instead of just one of their crazy rainbows and lollipops fantasies of all cultures being equal.
Police chief Niclas Hallgren said they had based their conclusion on what was found at the killer's apartment and "his behaviour during the act".
Media reports suggest the 21-year-old attacker had far-right sympathies.
Armed with a sword and wearing a helmet and mask, he stormed a school in Trollhattan, near Gothenburg, before being shot dead by police.
Police found a suicide note revealing that the attacker had meant to target "foreigners" and believed "Sweden should not take in so many immigrants", Swedish TV reported.
But investigators believe he acted alone and there was no indication of any group involvement, Aftonbladet newspaper reports.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34612000
Sure, sure, just another lone wolf.
or
Europeans are waking up and taking back their homeland!!!
[/saved some people some typing]
As for the "Europeans waking up" thing... well maybe they are. Or maybe some of them think that they are or that they need to. If we are going to look at root casuse when it comes to islamic terrorism, and we should, then we need to give just as much consideration to looking for root causes when things like this happen.
Understanding that some europeans are feeling threatened in their own countries is not the same as agreeing that they have reason to, nor is it condoning violent responses to that perceived threat. But automatically screaming "racism" and talking about those evil reactionaries does no more to understand or solve the problem than screaming about islam being "evil" does to solve the problem of islamic terrorism.
If you call this terrorism, then it's also racism, as it was directed at the ethnicity and or religion of the victims. (unless you want to weasel about religious bigotry not being racism). So I'm not really sure what you are driving at with your last sentence.
But the screaming about Islam being evil is what promotes the atmosphere in which this sort of crime is perpetrated.
Since we don't have much info I'm just making a few assumptions. If the attack was motivated by his feelings about immigration then it's a politically motivated crime, hence terrorism. Depending on one's particular bias the opposing tribes will generally argue that it's mental illness rather than terrorism. I was saying it can be both.
Generally though, when white people commit acts like this the left likes to just cry racism and leave it at that, rather than looking at the actual causes, and do just the opposite in cases of islamic terrorism. Righties, of course, tend to do the same things in the other direction.
SOrry, two fairly clumsy posts in a row. Hopefully you can read my mind and pick out some sense
Mental illness and the urge to be a terrorist walk hand in hand. I wonder though in terms of numbers how these two deaths match up against the number of native Swedes that have been murdered/assaulted/raped by Muslim 'immigrants' over the last couple of decades, a number that's been deliberately suppressed by the Swedish government and the European mainstream press. I'd wager the number of the latter is a lot greater than the number of the former.
What does that matter? A certain amount of any Immigrant/Refugee group is going to commit Crimes. Just as a certain amount of Citizens from birth are going to.
What does that matter? A certain amount of any Immigrant/Refugee group is going to commit Crimes. Just as a certain amount of Citizens from birth are going to.
even wiki can't hide it.
In a study by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention in 1997-2001, 25% of the almost 1,520,000 offences were found to be committed by people born abroad, while almost 20% were committed by Swedish-born people with a foreign background. In the study, immigrants were found to be four times more likely to be investigated for lethal violence and robbery than ethnic Swedes. In addition, immigrants were three times more likely to be investigated for violent assault, and five times more likely to be investigated for sex crimes. Overall, North Africa and Western Asia were strongly overrepresented in the crime statistics.
It does matter, because if your government isn't stupid enough to let those certain types of immigrants in then those murders/assaults/rapes aren't going to happen.
What types would that be?
What does that matter? A certain amount of any Immigrant/Refugee group is going to commit Crimes. Just as a certain amount of Citizens from birth are going to.
The difference is how much crime. Unassimilated immigrants and their descendants commit a massively disproportionate degree of crime in Europe, especially violent crimes. When native citizens see such huge increases in crime they have good reason to be concerned and even angry. Unfortunately the politicians in Sweden have taken PC to such a ridiculous extreme that many of the citizens are left feeling that no one cares about their concerns. Which, obviously, leads to heated rhetoric about taking things into their own hands. And to extreme anti-immigrant parties gaining strength.
It does matter, because if your government isn't stupid enough to let those certain types of immigrants in then those murders/assaults/rapes aren't going to happen.
What types would that be?
Well, they generally aren't Jews. Or Christians. Or Chinese. Or Latinos. Or Hindus. Or Sikhs. They're the ones who are soon going to be chasing the Germans out of Germany thanks to their chancellor who might have proven she's as insane as Hitler was by opening the floodgates wide for these worthless sons of bitches. All in all they're usually the ones that ruin every place they set foot in and destroy in a couple of generations what took much better people from a much better civilization centuries to build. And for some reason they're also the ones that liberals everywhere want to admit more of because something something, something something something, said liberals think is real instead of just one of their crazy rainbows and lollipops fantasies of all cultures being equal.
They're the ones who are soon going to be chasing the Germans out of Germany thanks
Too bad the lefties don't have the balls to sit down and actually read your link.
Straight from the District Prezident:
Germans told to leave Germany if they do not like the immigration policies of the Merkel government.
It's not democracy. It is the removal of democracy.
That official should have been taken out into the street and flogged.