 �No choice� but to launch trade challenge against Canada, U.S. lumber lobby says The U.S. lumber lobby says it now has �no choice� but to launch trade challenges against Canada now that a one-year standstill period has expired in the cross-border softwood lumber dispute � a move that will lead to punitive duties on Canadian forestry eCommentsview comments in forum Page 1 2 You need to be a member of CKA and be logged into the site, to comment on news. |
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Gooooo NAFTA!
I am so glad that Stephen Harper gave away $4b in tarriffs - $1b to the White House alone - so that we could end up right back here 10 years later!
Gooooo NAFTA!
And someone explain to me again how Trump wanting to renogotiate NAFTA is a bad thing?
I should be Prime Minister.
I am so glad that Stephen Harper gave away $4b in tarriffs - $1b to the White House alone - so that we could end up right back here 10 years later!
Gooooo NAFTA!
And someone explain to me again how Trump wanting to renogotiate NAFTA is a bad thing?
Like Andy says, I don't think he wants to do it for our benefit. And Softwood was outside NAFTA.
I know, I know, the thing to do with a bully is punch him in the nose, but that doesn't always work when you don't have much of a punch.
Every tribunal we took it to, from NAFTA to the WTO, we won. So we definitely bloodied their nose. And yet, we did the Canadian thing and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
And yet, we did the Canadian thing and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
Someone south of the border must have waved some money at us to get us to surrender as usual.
And yet, we did the Canadian thing and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
Someone south of the border must have waved some money at us to get us to surrender as usual.
Of course!
Import duties of $4 billion the U.S. charged Canadian companies since 2002 will be returned. But the U.S. keeps $1 billion.
A seven-year term, with a possible two-year extension.
A ban on the U.S. launching new trade actions.
Restrictions on Canadian exports will kick in if prices fall too far.
Neutral trade arbitrators will provide final and binding settlements of disputes.
http://www.cbc.ca/news2/background/softwood_lumber/
But the other way around!
Although Canada has won virtually every legal action taken out against the U.S. under NAFTA and the WTO, the Bush government has stonewalled and disregarded every single ruling. The new Harper/Bush Softwood Lumber deal has been vociferously blasted all across Canada, and opposition parties, business analysts and even trans-national logging companies are all outraged.
. . .
As part of the settlement, the Canadian government handed over $1 billion of the duties collected from Canadian companies � $500 million to the U.S. companies, and $450 million to the Bush Administration. This was the American price for giving Canada at least two years of lumber peace.
. . .
Washington will return $4-billion of the more than $5-billion in punitive duties that it has collected from logging companies over the past four years, and that money will go to the giant trans-national and American logging corporations such as Weyerhaeuser for example, which are out there, destroying Canada�s forests. Canadian taxpayers will get zilch, and so too apparently, will Americans.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/09/02/ ... n-to-bush/
You're all Canadians. Aren't you prepared to accept the least for your efforts yet?
Lumber deal is outside NAFTA. How is Trump wanting to renegotiate NAFTA a good thing for Canada - you think he wants to make the terms more favorable to us?
I do not mean this to be snarky so please don't read it that way, m'kay?
That said, maybe both countries would be better off without these omnibus trade deals that seem to fuck over both countries but in different ways. Maybe it's better to just work things out industry segment by industry segment so the deals are better for everyone involved.
During the NAFTA negotiations, the hill we chose to die on was the Bilateral Disputes panel. We gave up a dozen things to make sure we had an equally represented disputes mechanism. How shortsighted that was. We should have known from Day 1 that the USA would never abide by any disputes mechanism that ruled in Canada's favour. It was folly for us to have expected the USA to play by the rules.
Impossible!!!
The resident loon, SchlockedCanadian, keeps bleating that the US are paragons of virtue and honesty while we are barely one step better than the worst dictatorships in recorded history.
Maybe it's better to just work things out industry segment by industry segment so the deals are better for everyone involved.
Well, that's what's happening with lumber, since it is a side deal. I don't think we'd fare any better on this without NAFTA. We're much more dependent on selling stuff to the US, than they are on us buying from them, so unless we have something they want that they can't get anywhere else, we are stuck dancing to their tune. And some in Canada would do that even if we had the US over a barrel, as long as they made a good cut out of it. We've always been a banana republic. Sad.
One of the many negative side effects of having a country where everyone talks a good game about unity but in reality are more than willing to fuck each other over. Not just for gain either but just for the weird region vs. region/province vs. province spite that animates too much of the Canadian character. Even the Americans, no matter how much they genuinely detest each other over politics/religion/race, don't merrily screw each other over on some petty regional basis just for the fun of it.